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Offline fdiron

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« on: February 21, 2002, 07:54:09 PM »
Here are my thoughts on the 5 most influential fighters of World War II.  [Aircraft are not in order of importance]

(1)A6M 'Zero'-  This was the mainstay fighter of the Japanese.  It was in use throughout the war.

(2) F6F Hellcat-  Carrier based fighter which helped the U.S. turn the tide against Japan.  It outclassed the Zero and produced more aces than any other U.S aircraft

(3) Bf109-  The second most produced aircraft in history.  Was the workhorse of the Luftwaffe

(4) Spitfire- The Spitfire was probably the biggest contributor to stopping Operation SeaLion (the invasion of Britian by Germany).  

(5) P51-  Gave the U.S. its much needed escort fighter and granted the allieds air superiority over Europe.

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2002, 08:04:45 PM »
I think the P-39, P-40, P-38 and P-47 and the Hurricane should be the most influential. They held their ground against superior German and Japanese planes and pilots for years until the uber allied rides were brought to the scene (P51, late models of 47 and 38 and then the Spitfires).

On the Axis side, I'd say the Zeke , 109 and Stuka (short lived career but it definetely contributed a LOT to conquering almost all of europe!).

Ze Boomerang helped the Aussies a lot as well.

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2002, 08:19:04 PM »
My main reason for including the P51 was the fact that the Strategic Bombing Campaign had to be halted due  losses from German fighters .  No fighter besides the P51 had the range to escort the bombers deep into Germany.

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2002, 08:32:43 PM »
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My main reason for including the P51 was the fact that the Strategic Bombing Campaign had to be halted due  losses from German fighters .  No fighter besides the P51 had the range to escort the bombers deep into Germany.


This isn't quite true. The P-38 had the fuel capacity to escort the bombers to Berlin, but because of reliability problems in the ETO it couldn't realize its full effectiveness in combat there. Further, it was more expensive than the Mustang; a loss cost more to replace.

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2002, 08:41:39 PM »
Further more, the P38 helped the allies over the hump.  By the time the P51 was used in Europe the germans had already started losing the war.

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2002, 08:55:31 PM »
There were also tests and plans by both the RAF and USAAF for long ranged Spitfires.

If the P-51 hadn't panned out like it did, new versions of Spits would have been flying long range escort.

In the actual event they were not need and so the design changes were not introduced.  The changes included wing tanks of nearly identical design to the P-51's wing tanks and a rear fuselage tank that made the Spit more unstable than the P-51's rear tank mad it, at least until 50% of the fuel in it was drained.  Larger droptanks were also available.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2002, 09:28:39 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2002, 11:41:37 PM »
Well, I would add the F4F into the mix.  It was at a big disadvantage when matched against the Zero, but it held the line until the F4U was introduced in the Solomons and the F6F was placed on the carriers.

The thing is, with all lists, you tend to leave off some things that should be included.  Try naming your top 5 favorite movies.  For most people, it is a very difficult endeavor.  I can name my favorite all time movie (Raiders of the Lost Ark btw), but the 4 that follow?  That is tough.  The same thing when making any list that is subjective.

Oh well, they are fun to create though, if only for the discussions and debates that they create.

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2002, 12:47:06 AM »
p47, p51, spitfire

109, 190

A6m

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2002, 01:52:02 AM »
Mitsubishi A6M:  It gave the Japanese the confindence in the air against anybody else, and that helped infuence their decision to attack the USA.  After initial resistance due to the A6M's lack of manueverability Japanese pilots came to regard the Zero the way Samurai thought of their katanas.  Jiro Horikoshi (Mitsubishi's lead designer) was more famous in Japan than Reginald Mitchell was in the UK.

Supermarine Spitfire: It sold hope and eventual victory to the British people in a way that the Hurricane could not even as the Hurricane was doing the hard work.  Morale had more to do with winning at that point than battlefield performance.  The Spitfire also soldiered on, sucessfully excepting upgrade after upgrade, and remained a first rate front line fighter for the entire war.

Messerschmitt Bf109: It lead the fighter aspect of the early German victories, proving superior to everthing it faced until the Spitfire, and then it was so close that there isn't any agreement as to which was actually better.  Later superceded, but never out infuenced, in the Luftwaffe's effect on the war by a fighter the Bf109 was the fighter of choice for the great German aces.

Grumman F6F Hellcat: This is the fighter that decisively and irrevocably turned the air war against Japan.  It wasn't until late 1944 that Japanese fighters appeared that had the advantage on the F6F, and by that point quality of both manufacturing and pilots was down.  It was too little too late.

Yakovlev Yak 9 and 3:  The Yak series held the line against the Germans and then pushed it back.  The Yak 3 being so effective at the low altitudes of the Eastern Front that the Germans tried not to engage it without substantial altitude advantages.  Produced in even greater numbers than the Bf109, the Yak carried the fighter effort for Russia.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2002, 02:12:27 AM »
109
Il-2
Spit
190
P51

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2002, 03:38:23 AM »
I didn't know Il-2 was a fighter. Well you learn something new every day :)

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2002, 04:51:17 AM »
- P-51
- Me 109
- Spit
- A6M
- P 47 or 190 or Hellcat or Yak

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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2002, 07:15:10 AM »
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Further more, the P38 helped the allies over the hump.  By the time the P51 was used in Europe the germans had already started losing the war.


True that the Nazis were losing by the time the 51 came in any kind of numbers.  Wasn't the 38's doing, though - there were only two 38 groups in the 8th during the period October, 1943 - March, 1944, which is when the Nazis got shot out of the skies.

The true, and unsung, hero of the ETO was the P-47.  Love it or hate it, it's the plane that ripped the guts out of the Luftwaffe.  The 51 came along afterwards and cleaned up on all the youngsters.

Similarly, I'd have to substitute the Wildcat for the Hellcat, for many of the same reasons.  By the time the Hellcat came along, the air war was won.

Otherwise, I agree with everyone's Spitfire-109-Zero pick.

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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2002, 07:23:20 AM »
Me 262

it wasn't said influential on what, just WWII or the aviation afterwards for example.


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