Author Topic: For the Kids (Read 2107 times)

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2002, 11:50:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Kratzer
You think they have a 'choice' when they are raised by a hetero couple? You poor, deluded man. You can't 'make' someone gay.

EDIT: Response to Tac, not miko.

Kratzer, give me a chance. In the words of Mike Tyson, I will f*** you until you love me.

Tumor · « **Reply #16 on:** March 20, 2002, 12:10:52 AM »

Two homosexual parents is neither more nor less "right" than a single parent household. Children need a Mom and a Dad not just either or, nor do they need Mommy and Aunt Ellen or Daddy and Uncle Elfenwolf

If single parenting is so ok, then so should homosexual parenting. (However these folks that start families, are gay and don't "find out about thier natural born condition" until after producing a child and screwing the family unit IMO need to have their butts kicked). And if your wondering, yes I do believe children are a reason to stay married, the primary reason in fact.

-raxx- · « **Reply #17 on:** March 20, 2002, 05:42:28 AM »

Two rhetorical questions directed at the "No Way" faction:

Q1) Would your reaction be different if it were a lesbian couple wanting to adopt the child and if so why?

So what are you really afraid of? Two men in a commited relationship adopting a child? Should single fathers then be prevented from adopting or even raising children simply because of their sex? Should single mothers not be allowed to raise boys because of a lack of an adequate "male" role model and vice versa for girls? That reads as stupidly as is sounds in my head and is just as logical and reasonable as the arguments posted above against the adoption.

2) Why is something different so frightening to so many of you?

I've had friends with gay parents. Some friends raised in communes with dad and mum and 15 other parental figures who shared the duties of raising the children. I have friends who are single mothers and single fathers and some of my friends who have children are even married, (gasp, shock and sarcastic horror! yes! married!). None of them are any better or worse than each other. In most cases they parents do the best they could with the resources they had available and for the most part the kids all turned out fine, (I'm the exception and totally bugdiddly* or so my best friend tells me).

50 years ago getting pregnant out of wedlock was a mortal sin and yet today single parent families are not only commonplace but accepted by society as "normal". How long before Same-sex parenting is generally acceptable.

But then again we are talking about Florida and Law, (throw lawyers into an argument in a state that had difficulty counting up who had the most votes in a presidential election and imagine the mess).

* It's a legal and non-slanderous term, go look up US case law.

midnight Target · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2002, 09:27:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
But Tahgut, doesn't Jesus hate studmuffins?

Hang on a sec. I'll ask him.....................nope he says he doesn't and all these conservatives are going straight to hell.

The point is not whether gay or even single parent homes are better for kids. Of course the 2 parent mom and dad arrangement is optimal.
What is happening in Florida is a crime because the kid in question was placed with these 2 gay men when he was HIV positive, and now that he is no longer HIV positive and eligible for "general adoption" he will be taken away from the only family he has ever known. The kid is 11 years old.
There are thousands of kids in substandard foster care that would benefit from a stable loving home. Why would the State of Florida limit the options of these kids?

eskimo2 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 20, 2002, 09:59:15 AM »

A gay parent household is not perfect IMO.
But how many households are?

If the only thing "wrong" or "different" about a child's parents is that they were gay, I think that he or she would have a better home environment than about 90% of all kids.

Should we not let people keep or have kids if they (the parents) are alcoholics?
What if they are drug abusers?
Reformed drug abuser?
Felons?
Too old?
What if they have a dangerous job that could get themselves killed? Wasn't there a famous NASCAR driver who's 19 year-old son hit the wall and died last year? Sounds like bad parenting to me.... teaching your kid how to get himself killed...
What if they belong to that "weird" religion?
What if they are in the military and are stationed over-seas and aren't around their kids very much?
This list could go on and on...

It's easy to point fingers.

Basically the only criteria that should be used to determine that a parent is not suitable is one that clearly shows how the direct actions of the parent lead to neglect or abuse of the child.

eskimo

Ripsnort · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2002, 10:13:18 AM »

I always wondered how lesbians practice "Safe Sex"...I think I know now....

Mighty1 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2002, 10:16:05 AM »

Homosexuality is a mental illness that needs to be treated.

That being said I'm torn on the idea of the mentally ill adopting kids.

I'm sure some gay homes are normal enough to raise kids but it would be the same as giving kids to an alcoholic or anorexic. Kids mimic what their parents do so what are they showing their kids?

Gunthr · « **Reply #22 on:** March 20, 2002, 10:20:20 AM »

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The following is my opinion only. You are entitled you your own. The following opinions are based on the belief that no kid should be without a loving parental figure who is committed specifically to that child's welfare, for life, and who otherwise meets the adoption criteria.

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Male homosexuals who seek to adopt should be allowed to adopt only children who are old enough to give informed consent, say 10 years old. This requirement would be waived in the case of kids who are retarded or brain damaged to the level where they are unable to give informed consent.

Female homosexuals who seek to adopt would be allowed to adopt kids from birth. This is an acknowledgement that women are biologically designed by nature to give birth and nurturing to kids.

hblair · « **Reply #23 on:** March 20, 2002, 10:33:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
But Tahgut, doesn't Jesus hate studmuffins?

Do you think Jesus hates studmuffins?

Sandman · « **Reply #24 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:39:50 AM »

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Originally posted by hblair

Do you think Jesus hates studmuffins?

hblair · « **Reply #25 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:48:49 AM »

No, that's what you were doing.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #26 on:** March 20, 2002, 12:02:30 PM »

Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prohphet...

midnight Target · « **Reply #27 on:** March 20, 2002, 12:21:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Mighty1
Homosexuality is a mental illness that needs to be treated.

That being said I'm torn on the idea of the mentally ill adopting kids.

I'm sure some gay homes are normal enough to raise kids but it would be the same as giving kids to an alcoholic or anorexic. Kids mimic what their parents do so what are they showing their kids?

Once again, the evidence shows this not to be the case Mighty1. Kids mimic yes, but EVERY gay man or woman is the product of a hetero relationship. So I guess heterosexuality causes homosexuality?

Kids raised by Gay people or couples are no more likely to be gay than those raised by straight couples. That is a fact. They DO tend to experiment more often though. That has also been shown. All that proves though is that despite the experimentation into homosexuality they still are 90% hetero. Kinda puts a dent in the choice theory.

Tac · « **Reply #28 on:** March 20, 2002, 02:29:12 PM »

I didnt say that midnight, yer quoting someone else

I am not saying that a gay couple will abuse the child either.

Kids pick up things from their enviroment.. the first and most constant of those enviroments is the home.

This "gay gene" crapola is of no consequence imo. If you are genetically "coded" to be gay, you will be gay from day 1. Yet, not all gays have the gene. It can also be something a person can "pick up" by being exposed to it long enough, especially if you are very young.

Just look at the kids from all those white supremacy group maggots, or the hitler youth, etc etc.. you can find a lot of examples of how easy it is to make a child do things or believe in things just by being part of it or exposed to it.

Or religions if you look at it too. You can be raised as a ... and chances are that is what you'll believe in till the day you die, no matter if you later on "rationalize" that the religion you follow is not what you think is the truth. Its almost a cultural thing, you just cant shake it off.

I believe the kid should have a neutral stance from which to choose his sexuality. And a gay couple in my opinion just cant do that.

Hortlund · « **Reply #29 on:** March 20, 2002, 02:59:49 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target

Once again, the evidence shows this not to be the case Mighty1. Kids mimic yes, but EVERY gay man or woman is the product of a hetero relationship. So I guess heterosexuality causes homosexuality?

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Didnt he say homosexuality was an illness? If so, then your statement would be as pointless as "hetrosexuality causes the flu"

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Kids raised by Gay people or couples are no more likely to be gay than those raised by straight couples. That is a fact. They DO tend to experiment more often though. That has also been shown. All that proves though is that despite the experimentation into homosexuality they still are 90% hetero. Kinda puts a dent in the choice theory.

Uh...
1) sources?
2) "They DO tend to experiment more often"? wtf does that mean? Kids raised by gay people are more likely to try homosexual acts? If so, then the point is proven, that kids growing up with gays are "more gay" than other kids no?