For the Kids

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Oh please.

You cant just say that I'm "so very wrong", post a link to something completely unrelated, and then leave it at that.

In fact, I'm not sure I understand what you are aiming for here. Let me try to explain my point more clearly. Please tell me what part you disagree with of these:

1) Homosexuality is either genetic, environmental OR chosen.

2) It has not been proven that homosexuality is genetic.

3) 1 and 2 gives: It is possible that homosexuality is environmental and/or choosen.

4) Studies show that children in homosexual relationships are more likely to experiment with gay sex. Studies also show that the percentage of gay children from gay parenting is the same as the general population.

5) Children raised by gays are more likely to be bi or homosexual than children raised by heterosexuals.

[edit] note if you will that 5 is the logical conclusion from 4. So if you want to agree with 4, and disagree with 5, you will have to come up with something *really* smart to say.

I guess I will just have to explain the connection between my link and your statement. Sorry, I thought it was obvious.

You said, " if homosexuality was genetic...how would those genes spread or in other words...how would gay people have kids? And before someone says insemination, let me ask how the genes were passed down the generations in the past? The entire theory is flawed."

I then posted a link to a website explaining a genetic disease that has continued to exist despite the people who have the disease being unable to pass it on. I thought this might provide some insight into the possiblity that if homosexuality was genetic it could still continue to exist, in the same manner as this disease, and that your logic was flawed.

As to your points 4 & 5 I guess you missed my earlier reply to your contention that experimentation equalled orientation. Here is the quote again:

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Sexual behavior does not necessarily equate to sexual orientation. Many adolescents—as well as many adults—may identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual without having had any sexual experience. Other young people have had sexual experiences with a person of the same gender, but do not consider themselves to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual. This is particularly relevant during adolescence because it is a time for experimentation—a hallmark of this developmental period.
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That is from the American Psyciatric Association.

The link is in an earlier post, I apologize for being unable to copy it again to this reply.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by midnight Target

I then posted a link to a website explaining a genetic disease that has continued to exist despite the people who have the disease being unable to pass it on. I thought this might provide some insight into the possiblity that if homosexuality was genetic it could still continue to exist, in the same manner as this disease, and that your logic was flawed.

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Perhaps this would be a good time to bring up the differences between genetic diseases, and genetic traits? I still maintain my view that the link you quoted is completely irrelevant to our present discussion because
a) even in that link there are no evidence of genetic heritage of that disease (fact), and
b) I simply pointed out that homosexuality is not proven to be genetic (fact), and the entire notion is flawed (personal opinion)

Sexual behavior does not necessarily equate to sexual orientation. Many adolescents—as well as many adults—may identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual without having had any sexual experience. Other young people have had sexual experiences with a person of the same gender, but do not consider themselves to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual. This is particularly relevant during adolescence because it is a time for experimentation—a hallmark of this developmental period.

That is from the American Psyciatric Association.

[/b]
Yes, hmm... so do you realize that the passage you quoted from the American Psychiatric Association and "my" quote is not in conflict with each other?

The APA argues that an individual might not consider himself to be homosexual, even if he is, or he may consider himself to be a homosexual even if he is not. I simply stated that anyone having same sex relations is either a homosexual or a bisexual, regardless of how that person chooses to lable himself.

So you agree then...with points 4 and 5, with the clarification you quoted from the APA..that even though people are homosexual or bisexual, they might consider themselves to be something else.

[midnight Target]

Perhaps this would be a good time to bring up the differences between genetic diseases, and genetic traits? I still maintain my view that the link you quoted is completely irrelevant to our present discussion because
a) even in that link there are no evidence of genetic heritage of that disease (fact), and
b) I simply pointed out that homosexuality is not proven to be genetic (fact), and the entire notion is flawed (personal opinion)

Disease - Trait, no difference in terms of the genes ability to continue its existence. You didn't simply point out that homosexuality is not proven to be genetic, it hasn't, you also made a logic argument based on the gene's ability to pass on to the next generation. I pointed out how this logic was flawed. If you really need proof as to the genetic heretige of Tay-Sachs then please research it yourself. It is extremely well documented and I don't feel like reinventing the wheel.

So you agree then...with points 4 and 5, with the clarification you quoted from the APA..that even though people are homosexual or bisexual, they might consider themselves to be something else.

LOL, NO! Nice try though. I find your attempt to redefine the quote from the APA humorous at best. Read the first line of the quote.

"Sexual behavior does not necessarily equate to sexual orientation."

You still want to define an "experimenters" orientation for life and this is in direct opposition to the APA.

[hblair]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Of course it's natural. Check out the rest of your barnyard animals. Plenty of gender confused behavior going on there. Abnormal... certainly. Unnatural?

The ability to reason is also natural for humans isn't it? Because animals act on their instincts, does that mean we should? Some animals eat their young.

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
As for the Bible... I think the only restriction on homosexuality comes from the book of Leviticus. Go ahead and research all the prohibitions in that book. You can't just pick the parts that suit you.

Leviticus is Old Testament, only intended for Jews before Jesus death. It doesn't apply to anyone today, it's historical reference, not law to live by. NT brought everyone else into the picture.  Paul's letter to the church at Rome (Romans 1:27) is what I'm referring to.

[midnight Target]

The Bible may indeed say that homosexuality is a sin. The trouble is, this is the only basis the State of Florida has for restricting Gay parents from adopting.

The State could have had a spokesman on the show, however only one FL legislator decided to speak. He had no clear reason for denying the adoption of this boy other than he "felt it wasn't right".

For those of you who haven't gone to the link, these 2 gentlemen have taken 5 children into their home that NOBODY wanted. All were HIV positive or addicted infants with histories of abuse. They have sacrificed careers and huge amounts of time to give a loving home to these kids. Now after 11 years one of the kids is no longer testing HIV positive. The State of Florida is saying "You can take care of sick unwanted kids, but as soon as they are healthy they cannot live with you". How can you possibly justify this position?

[hblair]

Originally posted by midnight Target
How can you possibly justify this position?

Why would I want to justify their position?

[N1kPaz]

I personally believe that gay parents can be just and loving and caring as any others.  Being gay doesnt mean you are mean or cruel. Nevermind gay male's tendency to be attracted to boys, or their tendency to indoctrinate these same young men into their deviant and dangerous lifestyle choice. Nevermind the embarassment these children will suffer when their classmates find out the truth. Nevermind that homosexuality is a treatable mental illness...why treat it as what it obviously is when we can just pretend it is an "alternate" and healthy lifestyle.

But...if a skinhead can adopt then why not let anyone.




I guess i am just a knucklehead...i mean anyguy that can look at another guys hairy donut and etc. etc. etc.. is not insane at all... he is just another variation of normal??????????:eek:

I think it is fairly obvious that homosexuality is a mental illness...anyone who doesnt think so is probably a gay and in denial... hehe

I just cant wait to see what this gets me

[Eaglecz]

its only  about our  hesitations of  their credibility.

well i dont like that idea , but if you will keep it in US, do it as you wish......

i hope that you will no send some specnaz to our small country after 50 years , becasue we will not tolerate that

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by midnight Target
The Bible may indeed say that homosexuality is a sin. The trouble is, this is the only basis the State of Florida has for restricting Gay parents from adopting.

the Bible is sux

no one respect it anymore nor here neither in US

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Eaglecz



the Bible is sux

no one respect it anymore nor here neither in US

u r an idiot ... but thanks for playing

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I'd let Rosie adopt me, can you imagine the weekly allowance??

[N1kPaz]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM


Try tolerance. One can seldom go wrong with tolerance.

tell this to the europeans in 1939 as the nazi's rolled into Poland....

[N1kPaz]

oh man was Rosie declaring herself a vagitarian a suprise!

[Tac]

HONG KONG — The bride wore a black tuxedo and sported a fake mustache; the groom was resplendent in a white wedding dress and accompanying veil.

The maid of honor, a man, stole the show in a tangerine-colored frock with matching parasol.

A gay man married a lesbian woman friend in Hong Kong on Monday in order to try to claim housing benefits available only to heterosexual couples.

Noel Chen, 28, dressed as the bride and Yeo Wai-wai, 25, the groom as the couple were declared man and wife at a registry office in the territory.

They promptly announced they had no intention of living together, having long had same-sex partners who also intend marrying in order to claim housing benefits.

Homosexuality is legal in Hong Kong, but only couples of opposite sexes are eligible to apply for subsidized rental housing. (Reuters News)

[gavor]

Thanks for the good reply miko. I'm not sure I agree with your summising i'm a nazi or my country is totalitarian but I also write my replies at work. Some of what I mean to say isn't clear as I rush to get my thoughts down. I agree IVF should be freely accessible to anyone who can afford it.

Sorry I took so long to reply, it was a busy weekend and I've been sick the past 2 days. I'd love to post more but i'm still not feeling 100%.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by N1kPaz


tell this to the europeans in 1939 as the nazi's rolled into Poland....

Pick a better example. The Nazis were some of the least tolerant people in history.