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Offline Pyro

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« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2000, 12:59:00 PM »
Spitboy, we run a very liberal message board.  We prefer that people police themselves and try not to have to close threads all the time.  We're not so insecure that we can't take somebody throwing barbs at us.  We're tolerant but not deaf.  We also have the right to refuse service to anybody and will do so when we think it's in the best interest of the game.

Go into a local business and start insulting the people there because they don't carry what you're looking for.  Take some personal shots at the owner and then tell him how crappy his business is and how inept he is.  See what kind of reaction you get.  It won't result in them poking fun at you, but they might poke something else.

But the fact is, you wouldn't do that.  Yet it's very common on the internet to see that type of behavior.  It's real easy to be an bellybutton when you're not dealing face to face.  I've been guilty of that myself in the past.  

Our customers get to interact with everybody in this company all the way up to HT.  But that doesn't mean we're here because you don't have a dog to kick.  Whether you want it or not, there is a personal level of interaction with us, and we expect people to treat it as such.

I actually do understand MG's frustration, I just think he's going about it the wrong way.  As he's just shown, he can make a lucid post and I think he'd be much better off doing that than ranting and trolling.  I don't know why some people feel the need to stir this pot but that they do, from both sides.  To what end?  We've been through this before when CK/WB first came out and it's not much different now.  



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« Reply #61 on: July 06, 2000, 01:10:00 PM »
Not that this will help with anything, but...since when does a frickin quartermaster navigate a frickin..."flag ship guided-missle destroyer-cruiser"? and wtf is that? For how long has a bridge been called a "pilot-house"???  Look fellas, this guy is a bag of lies trying to incite a riot. Nothing more nothing less. Like a hacker/cracker, he has nothing better to do than stir up trouble. Downtown, you should be spanked and keel hauled for giving this moron an excuse to post here. The Mac thing is an excuse nothing more nothing less. The FM is an excuse. The graphics are an excuse. This guy will use ANYTHING to get people stired up. Any response to his BS will be used as another excuse. IMHO everyones best rebuttle would be silence. If you engage, you loose its that simple.   Guess I lost huh...ooops.

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« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2000, 01:54:00 PM »
 
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Go into a local business and start insulting the people there because they don't carry what you're looking for. Take some personal shots at the owner and then tell him how crappy his business is and how inept he is. See what kind of reaction you get. It won't result in them poking fun at you, but they might poke something else.

Turn that analogy around a bit. You're a customer in a local business' store. You've been there before, but only know the owner very casually. Some guy comes in and starts bad-mouthing the owner.  The owner starts bad-mouthing back and the two get into an insult battle in front of you and a bunch of other customers. What would YOU think as a casual observer? I'd venture to think they were BOTH nuts. The better, more professional way to handle it is to let the authorities handle it, and just make sure to kick everyone out if things get out of hand.

You've got your whole police force of players to handle trollers. They do a pretty good job. (And if they fail, you've always got Propoganda Minister Ripsnort The Enforcer (joke, JOKE)).

I'm just suggesting that HTC staffers have more to lose than gain from stooping to the level of trollers. You've got a good product and team that stands on its own merits.

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« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2000, 02:15:00 PM »
Macboy,

Thanks for editing that last post.

Lets keep it pointed in the right direction.

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« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2000, 05:49:00 PM »
I don't even know why I started this thread?

I would be reading a thread on here or AGW and someone would discuss something and there is a post from Macboy.  Spewing.

I guess I just got aggrivated and reacted.  I thought I could get him to see how hyprocritical he is being.  Somehow I thought I could get him to understand. I don't think I can anymore.  I just spewed.  I can understand some of the frustration the Warbirds types must be feeling, especially the MAC users.  I just don't understand why he feels the need to make very presonal attacks.  And that is what they are.

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« Reply #65 on: July 06, 2000, 06:35:00 PM »
My observations in this stuff:

1) AGW is a private board, not a company (IEN) owned board solely for the purpose of discussing the company product.

2) The Owner of AGW has stated he has no problems with AH discussed there

3) Most Posts in the WB -vs- AH vein on AGW are attacks on AH by insecure WB types.  Very rare I have noticed an anti-WB thread started.  Most are started as anti-AH, with
some players posting replys to counter the original posts, with objective observations and truth.

3) This Board is run by AH, and it isnt appropriate to come here and start threads by spewing garbage about the game.  Threads should be contructive, they can be enquiring for knowledge or they can be someone wanting to have fun in with the community.  

just my thoughts,

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« Reply #66 on: July 06, 2000, 07:08:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Spitboy:
Turn that analogy around a bit. You're a customer in a local business' store. You've been there before, but only know the owner very casually. Some guy comes in and starts bad-mouthing the owner.  The owner starts bad-mouthing back and the two get into an insult battle in front of you and a bunch of other customers. What would YOU think as a casual observer? I'd venture to think they were BOTH nuts. The better, more professional way to handle it is to let the authorities handle it, and just make sure to kick everyone out if things get out of hand.

Spitboy I hope you arent saying that Pyro's tone was something NEAR Macboy's. If you think so then I strongly suggest you taking a look at all MG's posts and all Pyro's answers.

Your analogy would be more correct if you are in the shop and the guy starts insulting the owner of the shop...and then the owner starts looking the guy with incredulity.
Other day the same guy comes and does the same. Then the owner starts smiling ironically.
Another day the same guy comes,spams, and the owner starts laughing at the stupid guy.

And finally one day the guy comes and the owner ends asking the guy if he has mental problems or he is **REALLY** that dumb.

I think that is a REALLY fun mode to take Macboy...to not take him seriously at all.

Pyro's post was pure irony. nothing near MG's toejam.

Hope you see my point, because IMHO Pyro has shown a lot of pacience, class and irony about this guy.


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« Reply #67 on: July 06, 2000, 07:24:00 PM »
 Have to side with Spitboy on that.

 I do not care much if one of the (prospective) customers starts shooting his mouth off, but I will be worried when the business owner stoops to his level even a little bit. After all it's him I will be dealing with.

 Pyro's post was nowhere close to the level of the Macboy's but we treat his posts much more seriously. Not that it's likely that we would lose respect for Pyro even if he does fly off the handle once in a while, but it's just upsetting to see him provoked to such extent.
 Please, Pyro, next time just close the thread or at least post under the different name.

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« Reply #68 on: July 06, 2000, 08:24:00 PM »
Once again I am finding myself as an outsider looking in on this game.  I was an alpha tester and I like the game.  Very good FM's.....aircraft....etc.  HTC is going to go far.

I am also a Warbirds fan.  Have been......always will be.  I fly with the best buff group (sorry dok....had to say it    ) in WB's ......the 450th BG (H).  

Ya know it really saddens me to see all of this bashing going on and on between the games.  It is very very dishartening.  Why are we doing this?????  Why do we read this!!!!

Know....I know that some of you are going to come right on and read this and say "there is another WB lover.....lets bash him into the ground"  If you feel you must.....do it.  I am sorry that it has come to this.  

Just remember this is a game.  WB, AH, AW,...WWII ONline......all GAMES.  And it is pretty sad when we have to come over from our other boards to competing companies and bash each other.  It's just plain sad.  

If you feel that you must bash me because I am sitting back and reading this......then please email me.  Im just sorry that it has gone this far  

It's amazing how a game that is to bring fun and joy......brings this.

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« Reply #69 on: July 06, 2000, 08:52:00 PM »
LOL what a load of BS.

FWIW Macboy... mg? no way mg was nuts like this.

Anyway, way back in the old days there was this computer - the Amiga. And some smart arse wrote a Mac emulator for it. It ran Mac software 20% faster than the equivilent Mac. Initially the emulator was hardware, but then some hackers figured out all you needed was software to do it. And shortly thereafter the Amiga could quite happily run Mac software.

The question is - why could a cheaper hardware platform run Mac O/S faster than a Mac which cost a whole lot more?

Of course it never took off, the Amiga guys didn't like the Mac O/S and the Mac software was so damn expensive.

So whos the evil empire then? Apple selling their overpriced proprietery hardware?

Funny thing is that the Mac people I know went into complete denial and often assumed a fetal position over this emulator.

For anyone who says its BS, I ran it, tried some Mac software, and deleted it shortly thereafter.

Mac is just another platform and O/S. Problem is it doesn't have market share.

I see WB III is going to go to Linux. Not slagging either O/S but I think IEN are getting desperate, and they NEED the Mac/Linux markets.

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« Reply #70 on: July 06, 2000, 09:03:00 PM »
 
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Spitboy I hope you arent saying that Pyro's tone was something NEAR Macboy's. If you think so then I strongly suggest you taking a look at all MG's posts and all Pyro's answers.

No, it wasn't implying that. Just that they should refrain from even being baited into replying at all. And I wasn't just referring to this thread. I've seen Superfly post his "crying baby" emoticon on several occasions, and I can't help think it's meant in a snide manner. And don't forget it was Pyro who "outed" Macboy by matching his IP to MG's. He's replied to MG several times, and a few of those replies were obviously attempts to belittle MG somewhat.

I think my analogy stands. There's no need for any HTC employee to belittle anyone here. If a person is being combative or disruptive on your corporate board, ask them to stop. If they don't stop after being politely asked, ban them. Period. Just like I'd expect a store owner to do with an irate customer. Ask them to leave. If they don't, kick them out or have the cops haul them out.

But hey, like I said, that's just my opinion. Doesn't make it right or wrong - was just hoping to make Pyro and Superfly think about how their responses might be seen by the casual observer.

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« Reply #71 on: July 06, 2000, 09:16:00 PM »
I really agree with Samart

HTCs are doing unbilebable job.
Gentlemen Just fly and enjoy AH
No need basing other sim at all.

Macboy and all Mac users
My 1st personal computer was Mac 512K
I loved to use Mac for job and hobby.
however It is so tough to use Mac for flight sim.
Please don't put special emotion to your Mac when you play sim.

I recommend you to buy PC (no meaning to give up your Mac. use Mac as you do.)
It just a tool or box however it can solve all problem you have.

You can fly current WB with D3D.
You can fly AH
You can fly most of all sim in market.
You don't need to wait any more.

You don't need to feel the difference between Mac and PC when you are in the sky.

Make it simple  PC is just the tool but let you take the sky.
Your wings are for flying.

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« Reply #72 on: July 06, 2000, 09:18:00 PM »
While I can kind of agree that Pyro and Superfly may have been a bit coarse in their replies (not just here), I can see where they are coming from.  Here is, for all practical intents and purposes, their labor of love.  When someone rips it apart without even trying it, I can understand completely how they would react the way they do.  It is natural.  How many people here would react the same way concerning something that they worked on as hard as HTC obviously has with AH?I know I would, and I suspect that I am not alone.

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« Reply #73 on: July 06, 2000, 09:42:00 PM »
You guys get as unhinged as me, my heck. Lets all relax. Take a break. Be thankful we live in a day and age where the only way most all of us would have experienced flying WWII planes would be to grip a 1/16 model <your ride choice here> between our thumb and forefinger, and vroom around the room, like the 190 movie from Doc Doom. Thanks a ton to the 3 companies, and their respective code thumpers for giving all of us a chance to experience the thrill of going at it in the virtual skies.

I'll lay off. Give ya'll a break. Let ya vent your frustrations on channel 1, instead of at me, sheesh, ruthless bastards, and go on with your miserable lives hehe

I'm excited for WBIII and WWIIOL, and I'm finding trying to vent the frustration of waiting in here is not that fun. Thought ya'll woulda had a bit more sense of humor, but you guys are very nasty people. You'd think that the savings on the ol' checking account would make your steps a bit lighter, hmmm. Think about what you have said in response to my posts, look at your ownselves for a moment, and any toxicity in your posts, and perhaps reflect on what anger you have built up, stored and penned-up, and perhaps change your own attitudes towards those that don't agree.

Always remember, when you are pointing your finger at someone, there are three pointing right back at ya.

C'est la vie, check 6, happy hunting and ciao!!
Macboy has done his job and shall flitter away in the wind from the AH boards.

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« Reply #74 on: July 06, 2000, 11:32:00 PM »
Hmm... that's a second reasonable post from Macwhatever. I bet if I ran into him at a con or whatevah, he'd probably turn out to be a decent guy.

I guess the lesson for me is to not take this toejam, any of it, too seriously.

But personally, I get a kick outta Pyro et al's posts. They're flight sim dweebs just like the rest of us... semi-human just like the rest of us... and if they wanna twist the knife a bit... what's the harm? Makes me feel like I'm doing business with real people and not some corporate PR spokesperson lacky. And I like that.