Its time to stop the BS 50cals destroying armour.....

[minus]

the laboratory conditions ,  hmmm   yes there many things work fine ,but in real life  it wil fail about to 98 % , no parts of pnzr  are a simple plate ! nowhere ! it have a crap load of diagonal pieces  of steel  frames , how the  50 caliber efect the dmg in AH ?   is it the kinetic energy transformed to heat ?   or just goin trought and virtualy kiling all around ?

my old  military experience   teling me  how  hard was  to hit  anything at 1000 m with  heavy  machine gun , it was not  50 caliber just the eqivalent , examinnet many time the target ,  the symple stell plate around 5 mm and barely got holes in!   many many inpact marks  but not many holes , pnzrs are not my speciality but   sure is they are not  just a symple steel plates  


sugestion to HTC crew , in Texas is it surely free  ,  in EU  i go in jail for this kind of experiment   , take some   50 caliber an try to hit something at 1000 m  , then please revisite  50 caliber  gunery  precision

[AKDejaVu]

Originally posted by Wulfmen
very good Thread, very good
i have only five Questions.

Why did they use Rockets and Bombs on the Planes?
why they called this Planes Jabos?
Why build them Special Planes for Ground Attacks like il2, etc etc
Why the tested and build Weapons w 37mm and more for ground Attacks?

Why they build no plane w 20 x 0.50 Mgs, that must be the Upper-tank-Killer-Plane.

Hmmmmmm think all my Books over the East front, Tank Battles and Tanks-Casulities from Planes are stupid lies.

When you read through all those books... look at the area around the tanks.  Was it conducive to low flat straffing runs?  Where the tanks difficult to see?  Where there trees all around them?  Where there sand dunes built up around them?

I don't believe its the armor that is modeled incorrectly that is causing the problems people are whining about.  I do believe it is the fact that very little of the cover necessary to protect the tanks is available.  Also.. .the fact that AA was usually in the area in some capacity is also missing.

Basically... very few people had clear shots even to as close as 200 yards with fighters on tanks.  There were always other considerations.  In AH, we have very few of those other considerations... if any at all.

AKDejaVu

[Wulfmen]

dejavu
Thats right, but dont forgett this, thats i RL Fighter dont hit a Tank from 1000 yards like AH.
Dont think thats RL Fighters have this accurate gunnerymodell like a PC Sim.
there are more thinks around this

What i mean w my post is, thats from 5000 Tanks 20 or less was Full destroyed by Plane-Mgs. Thats Reality and not that a 0.50cal can pentrade the hull armor from a Pz.
All Countrys build fighters w Special equipment only for Groundwar. in AH we dont need it, for GV attacks i used many Times a Niki and get 8-13 Kills w this Plane 2Kills w the Bombs, the others all w the cannons. Why we have this Special Planes like IL2? we hae Planes here they do they same and better job w MGs as this special Planes w all this Rockets, Bombs and Big Guns.

[AKDejaVu]

Originally posted by Wulfmen
dejavu
Thats right, but dont forgett this, thats i RL Fighter dont hit a Tank from 1000 yards like AH.
Dont think thats RL Fighters have this accurate gunnerymodell like a PC Sim.
there are more thinks around this

Sure they could.. they just didn't do any damage.. just like in AH.  Now.. get that fighter within 500 yards and see what happened... or even 200 yards.  Those are the ranges most GV kills occur in.  

What i mean w my post is, thats from 5000 Tanks 20 or less was Full destroyed by Plane-Mgs. Thats Reality and not that a 0.50cal can pentrade the hull armor from a Pz.

Once again.. what environment did that occur in?  How often did aircraft have unobstructed access to repeated straffing runs on Panzers?  My money says its somewhere near 20 in 5000.

All Countrys build fighters w Special equipment only for Groundwar. in AH we dont need it, for GV attacks i used many Times a Niki and get 8-13 Kills w this Plane 2Kills w the Bombs, the others all w the cannons. Why we have this Special Planes like IL2? we hae Planes here they do they same and better job w MGs as this special Planes w all this Rockets, Bombs and Big Guns.

All countries try to kill something without loosing something else.  Its the loosing something else aspect where AH cannot compete with real life.  Loosing an aircraft in AH does not matter.  Loosing a pilot in AH does not matter.  IRL... it did.  Thus you make adjustments.

Now.. quit trying to use history to prove/disprove physics.

AKDejaVu

[Urchin]

bump, hope theres something about Hizookas in here.  .50s will still completely disable a tank, but I havent actually blown one up in a while with em.

[moot]

it's still doable, one pass kill.