Dad takes blockbuster to video store...

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Gunthr
Mr. Namby Pamby, (sorry Tahgut, couldn't resist )

You apparently reserve all your empathy for the armed robber.

Not once do you mention the poor victims! (the dad is a victim too)

You wrote: " We have gained nothing but another death through this incident."

Well, who's fault was that?

It sounds like you would feel better about this if the perpetrator had killed the kid.
 

I was only pointing out that there is a complete lack of humanity on this thread.

I feel terrible for the father. He will probably live with this the rest of his life, and YES he had to do it.

It is the dead boy's fault that all this occured of course. I never stated otherwise.

Your last statement is just sickening in its ignorance.

[Gunthr]

Sorry Tahgut, if it does not apply.

But if the perpetrator had killed the kid, and THEN the dad shot and killed the robber...

... I think you might not be as anguished over the robber's death.

Of course, one can't blame the dad for not allowing that to happen.

[Elfenwolf]

I am anguished over ANY death that happens by a gun, rather it be in Afghanistan or Florida. This is a human tragedy, and rather it may have been more tragic had the loss of life been spread among those kids who were getting robbed, as well as the robbers, isn't the issue IMO...the issue now seems to be that so many of you can accept the resolution  of this incident as a satisfactory result of a robbery gone bad, yet all I see is a dead kid, a grieving mother of that kid and so many of you seeing this as a shortcut to justice.

Come on, you guys. Is this the society you REALLY want- where the perps in these incidents are hung in a town square for seven days to serve as a warning to potential criminals out there? Do you really want our society to become that Draconian? I'm sorry, and I'm sure I'll be squelched by dozens more of you and have to mail out even more  "I'm An Efluff'n Squelcher" T-Shirts, but I can't feel good about this incident. I'm just sickened that so many of you can find cause for celebration over the violent death of ANY human being. Sorry, but I hold life to be sacred. I feel sorry for those of you who don't.

[Sox62]

No one feels good about having to take a life.But I'm having a hard time understanding your viewpoint.They were committing a felony,using a weapon to commit a crime.

 Maybe they wouldn't have used it...no one can truly say.

 But this is the harsh reality of a situation like that-ANYTIME a weapon is pointed at you or someone else by someone committing a crime,you MUST assume they are willing to use it.To assume otherwise is nothing but foolish.

 I've never had to fire my Beretta at anything but a target...but in that man's situation,there is no way I'd bet my life that he wouldn't pull the trigger.

 And that is the risk they took when they decided to commit robbery with a lethal weapon.

[Ping]

What I see in this thread is Society's frustration with rampant crime, Lack of Respect or Justice for innocent victims, Skewed Legal Systems, as well as the inability of Government and Law enforcement in Bringing Perp's to Justice.

 Ordinary People are going to respond in a seemingly callous way towards those commiting crimes, if only because we are all looking for a change and appropriate justice.
 Far too often the innocent die, and worse, the guilty too often recommit further crimes.
 With every criminals death, you WILL see a percentage of people looking at this as a victory for justice.

 Nevermind Race, Gender, Age, or Nationality. We all want justice, and if that means a couple of kids paid the ultimate price for commiting a violent crime, Then so be it.

I now return you to your regularily schedueled thread.

[Fatty]

Man, put down the bong.  This is not a human tragedy, it's the death of an armed robber.  Shooting a man who is pointing a rifle at you (or a member of your family) does not a draconian public execution make.

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Fatty
Man, put down the bong.  This is not a human tragedy, it's the death of an armed robber.  Shooting a man who is pointing a rifle at you (or a member of your family) does not a draconian public execution make.

Fatty, you're right- it's the death of someone who engaged in a risky behavior and reaped a result of that behavior that none of us (including him) can be surprised at. What IS Draconian, IMO, is the attitude of some of us here on the BBs have regarding this...uh..well, if you don't want to call it a "tragedy," how bout we call it an unfortunate incident? Please, tho, let's not call this "justice."

[midnight Target]

He deserved it. He deserved it. He deserved it.

You have no idea what drove these young men to do something this stupid.

He deserved it. He deserved it. He deserved it.

So what!? You all still can't see the truth staring you in the face.

The death of anyone this young is a tragedy. Whether he deserved it or not.

The fact that the Father did what he felt he had to do does not diminish the tragedy. The fact that anyone would dance on the grave of this young man and celebrate his death is diminishing to all of us.

What if the perp was 10 yrs old? 11? 12? 13? when did it become OK for your sensibilities. At the arbitrary age of consent? 18? How young would he have to be before his death becomes tragic? I have kids well past that age and I will tell you, they were nowhere near done maturing at 18. Were any of you?

So before you jump on your hangin tree soap box please try to see the tragedy in the midst of a fathers heroics. It's there, just past the blood in your eye.

[Mickey1992]

Here's an article about the shooting that Saurdaukar mentioned.
http://www.mcall.com/news/yahoo/all-b1_2neighbormar21.story

Shoot a fleeing suspect that does not pose a direct danger to you or someone else and you will most likely get charged with a crime.  What's worse is that this homeowner OPENED THE BASEMENT DOOR to confront the suspect, he never broke in.  Shooting "until the threat is dead" might work in wartime, but it doesn't work when defending yourself against an unarmed man who is fleeing.

[Fatty]

What if the perp was 10 years old(and was shot while robbing someone at gunpoint)?  Similarly, I would be pleased that the robbery did not succeed.


I have no idea what drove them to do something this stupid, on that you are correct.  I don't care.  Maybe it was to fund his secret laboratory research to cure cancer.  Oh well.

I don't care about justice, revenge, or the race of anyone involved.  I am happy that a robbery failed, and I am completely indifferent to the deaths that happened in the attempt.

[Toad]

What more needs to be said?

He was responsible for his actions.

He was held accountable for those actions.

End.

[CptTrips]

>What if the perp was 10 yrs old? 11? 12? 13?


That just means you don't have to lead'em as far.

Wab