Author Topic: Spit XIV and perks (Read 1355 times)

Hristo · « **on:** March 24, 2002, 01:00:42 PM »

This post is from someone who flies LW only and likes to fight against Allied only.

It was about time for Spit XIV to get introduced. In fact, it should have been here on the same day we got the Dora. Not to mention the introduction of 262. Spitdweebs deserve to have a faster plane and become a threat for a Dora pilot they should be. 262 will stay untouchable as with any prop plane introduction.

Now for perks. How is it fair to have Spit XIV perked and D-9 free ? Or a free P51D or Typhoon for that matter ? And what about all mighty free La 7 ?

Spit XIV should not be perked if D-9, G-10, P51, La7 and few others are free. Spit XIV is slower than all these planes down low, dives slower, is more fragile, cockpit visibility is average etc etc. What it has going for it is (possible) turn advantage, great climb and acceleration. Big deal ! It still has disadvantages and can be beaten with proper approach.

If a D-9 pilot ups in his plane, he has to have that Spit XIV warning ringing inside his head all the time. If we perk ther XIV, it would still be the milkrun fights vs 30-40 mph slower planes.

Personally, I want to vulch as many Spit XIVs as I can and then run away from them. How can I do it if they are all perked ?

P.S.
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J_A_B · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2002, 01:09:38 PM »

"How is it fair to have Spit XIV perked and D-9 free ? Or a free P51D or Typhoon for that matter ? And what about all mighty free La 7 ? "

How is one related to the other? About the only thing those planes have in common is introduction dates in a war that ended over 50 years ago.

How is it fair to even suggest that the D-9 or Typhoon be perked, when the much more common Spit 9, Spit 5, and N1K2 are all free?

In the end you're left with two options--perk only the airplanes which otherwise mess up the game, or perk almost everything.

J_A_B

Nashwan · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2002, 01:25:23 PM »

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In the end you're left with two options--perk only the airplanes which otherwise mess up the game, or perk almost everything.

Mess up who's game?

If I want to fly a Spit XIV and it's perked, that messes up my game.

If I want to fly a Spit I, and I run into any of the late war unperked planes, that messes up my game.

There is a far bigger performance difference between the Spit I, Zero, Hurricane, 202 etc and the Dora than there is between the Dora and the Spit XIV.

Replicant · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2002, 01:44:31 PM »

I whole-heartedly agree with you Hristo. Everything I've read says that the Spit 14 was on a par with the D9, yet if the Spit 14 is perked then how can this be, especially when there are equally as good planes such as the P51D, La7 and the N1K2.

My main ride is the Typhoon so I doubt I will go over to the Spit 14 anyway but I think the RAF deserve a very capable late war plane that isn't perked. If I do fly the Spitfire then it is normally the Seafire.

Anyway, just my 2 pence worth....

Regards

NEXX

PS Thank you Hristo for posting a very UN-biased topic!

Fariz · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2002, 01:49:34 PM »

It is simple, if planes unballance a plane set, it shall be perked. Dora do not unballance, Spit XIV will do.

Every more simple, make XIV unperked and guess what half of MA planes will be next day?

Fariz

thrila · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2002, 01:56:11 PM »

Jab, the relationship of the 190d, la7, p51 and the tiffie is their ability to dominate a fight. They all have the speed to engage and disengage cons at will, they control the fight.

I myself would be up for perking p51's, i see as many of these as i do spit 9's and the p51 is much more lethal than a spit9.
Last tour i shotdown 28 p51D's, i shotdown more p51's than i shotdown any other a/c in tour 25. I don't really have a problem with 190D's and la7's as they are less common than the p51.
The p51 has the performance, the numbers and the Number 1 reason for it to be perked- the p51D is not my main ride. <-this goes heavily into anyone's reasoning if something should be perked or not.

The way people are reacting to the spitXIV you would think it outrolls, outclimbs, outdives, outruns.......etc etc everything in our current planeset. It's only reasonable to allow it free first off all and then perk it if it gets out of hand.

it would be nice to fly an unperked spit in level terms with other late-war plane sin the arena.

JoeCrip · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2002, 02:09:16 PM »

I think all planes under 20 Eny should be assinged a small perk value, for example:

La7 - 5 Perks
Niki - 6 Perks
Spit 9 - 8 perks
Dora - 6 Perks

Lets face it...there's maeby 10 people in the MA who use the Mossie/202/Spit and Hurri 1

Assigining a small perk vaule to low eny planes will help get the MA varied a bit more, and all the planes will get equal use... and it will also stop things like this: ( Keep in mind, this ISNT a squad of spits, just a bunch of spits who happen to be in the same place, at the same time)

Hristo · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2002, 02:36:53 PM »

If AH was only 205s, 109G-6 and P47C, an unperked Spit XIV might ubalance the arena and mess up someone's game.

However, AH is Doras, P51s, F4Us, Lavochkins and Typhoons. Spit XIV would have to work pretty hard to mess up their day IMO. Of course, if the mentioned decided to make things easier for it and play towards XIVs strenghts, it is not XIV's fault.

I'd like to suggest an unperked Spit XIV and see how it goes. If it really becomes everyone's choice for fighter sweep, Jabo and intercept runs then we might consider perking it.

Vector · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2002, 02:46:11 PM »

I totally agree with JoeCrip here.
Did a quick check for my most kills and average top 4 would be something like this:
Spit 9
P-51
NIK2 (I always attack niki's first, I hate them!

) Actually NIK2 is quite rare compared to spits & p-51s.
LA-7

Spit is most common fighter now that I face in MA. I can imagine what it would be like if Spit 14 is non-perked, uh oh.

The principle that fighters should be perked by their introduction dates is wrong IMO. Usage usage and usage should be the way just like Fariz put it.

JoeCrip · « **Reply #9 on:** March 24, 2002, 02:48:54 PM »

Description
Manufacturer: Supermarine
Designation: Spitfire
Version: Mk XIV
Type: Fighter
Crew: Pilot
Specifications
Length: 32' 8" ( 9.96M)
Height: 2' 7" ( 0.79M)
Wignspan: 36' 10" ( 11.23M)
Max Weight: 10280.0lbs (4662.00Kg)
Propulsion
No. of Engines: 1
Powerplant: Rolls-Royce Griffon 65
Horsepower 2050 each
Performance
Max Speed: 448.00 Mph @ 22K
Ceiling: 44500.0 Ft (13563.0M)

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F4U-4 Goes about that speed, (if not slower) at around 22k , and the f4u-4 is perked. The MA is already 30-40% Spits. If the Spit 14 came unperked, we might as well remove all the other planes, becasue people will only be flying the spit 14

J_A_B · « **Reply #10 on:** March 24, 2002, 02:51:40 PM »

"Jab, the relationship of the 190d, la7, p51 and the tiffie is their ability to dominate a fight. They all have the speed to engage and disengage cons at will, they control the fight. "

That's the catch--this is only an advantage if you want to fly home and land your flights. If landing/RTB doesn't matter to you, then the ability to run away doesn't mean squat.

One view on the perk system is it needs to be used as little as possible; in other words it needs to be used only to keep a few planes in check so they don't end up accounting for 35 or 40% of total use. The fact that there's a lot of "hangar queens" doesn't bother me because they're "out of sight, out of mind".

Another viewpoint, like that of JoeCrip, would rather see the perk system used to make less-used planes more common. While I don't agree with him, his opinion is perfectly valid. He would prefer for all planes to see equal (or almost equal) usage.

In either case, you don't see me saying "perk the spit 14". I'm just providing a counter-argument for those insisting that it must be a free plane. I like the discussion

J_A_B

Kieran · « **Reply #11 on:** March 24, 2002, 02:52:18 PM »

I could have snapped shots of skies full of P-51s in just the same manner.

I dunno if I am for an unperked Spit XIV or not, but I do give kudos to Hristo for suggesting it.

Pongo · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2002, 03:11:16 PM »

I like it when people applaud as ubiased an opion that happens to aggree with thier opinion...any other opinion is biased. what a crock...lol
If the XIV is a spit IX with the speed at alt of a Pony and the climb of a G10 it will have to be an expensive perk. In what regared it is less then that it will be perked less. If it is as effectice as a D9 it will not be perked...
all the rest is babble by people that dont want to even consider it might be perked.

Replicant · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2002, 03:20:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Vector

NIK2 (I always attack niki's first, I hate them! ) Actually NIK2 is quite rare compared to spits & p-51s.
LA-7

Spit is most common fighter now that I face in MA. I can imagine what it would be like if Spit 14 is non-perked, uh oh.

You gotta remember that there is only one N1K2 and 4 x Spitfires all with the same Icon label. The Spit 9 and Seafire do look pretty much the same unless you're very close, and the Spit I and Spit V also look very similar.

Nexx

Broes · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2002, 03:24:11 PM »

Maybe there would be a point to this discussion if there would actually BE an Spit XIV in AH...

Till that time you just have to close your eyes, imagine and play with yerself thinking about one

Broesy