Author Topic: Will you defend palestinians... (Read 1902 times)

Voss · « **Reply #45 on:** April 02, 2002, 11:04:17 PM »

LtHans, France has been the butt of jokes since the April Fools incident (I'll explain if I must).

Didn't Pres. Clinton actually try to get things settled over there? I believe it was really a move to get his name in the history books, more than an honest bid for peace. BUT, didn't he manage to get the Israeli's to offer Arafat 97% of his demands? Had Arafat agreed would he not have had peace? Wouldn't he have had his land back, and more? Didn't he neglect to sign and leave it at the table?

What was the 3% they didn't offer? Didn't he want Israel gone?

That speaks volumes about this man. He's not after peace, he's not after land, and he's not after assets. He wants Israel dead. It's jealousy for the land lost to Jews. That's petty.

Israel just wants to live in peace in their own land.

I think France, Italy, Germany, and certainly the Arab nations would blame us directly if Arafat is killed. Probably more nations would join the condemnation of us, whether we voice HOURLY regret for Israel's action or not. So, whether Arafat dies or not, we will get blamed for the outcome.

Tar baby indeed, Toad.

If not for the second amendment I would prefer the banning of the press in this conflict. Our press and media have helped to escalate this situation. Everyday they make it worse. Both sides get a worldwide audience to this snowball fight from hell. Ah, well, I can just shut off the tube.

I wonder how long those fifty cans of sardines will last him?

Sticky tar baby... very bad.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #46 on:** April 03, 2002, 12:04:42 AM »

I simply love the irony of Israel doing the same thing their idols and mentors the nazis had to do! Lebensraum anyone?

Animal · « **Reply #47 on:** April 03, 2002, 12:27:29 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I simply love the irony of Israel doing the same thing their idols and mentors the nazis had to do! Lebensraum anyone?

Exactly.

I also find disturbing that Israel has this fetish with rockets.
Some wacko kills himself and takes 20 with him?

Easily remedied: lets take our choppers and lob rockets at the nearest palestinian village. Kill hundreds.

Then send many pictures of the grieving families of the 20 victims the wacko killed to the biggest news networks. Screw the suffering palestinians who lost their lands and family.

AFTER ALL, THEY ARE NOT HUMAN, LIKE US

straffo · « **Reply #48 on:** April 03, 2002, 12:50:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Voss
LtHans, France has been the butt of jokes since the April Fools incident (I'll explain if I must).

yes please

you can send me by email : Straffo

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #49 on:** April 03, 2002, 01:24:45 AM »

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also find disturbing that Israel has this fetish with rockets.
Some wacko kills himself and takes 20 with him?

Easily remedied: lets take our choppers and lob rockets at the nearest palestinian village. Kill hundreds.

Can You post a link to a credible news site about any helicopter attack with hundreds of arabs dead?

babek- · « **Reply #50 on:** April 03, 2002, 01:59:31 AM »

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I simply love the irony of Israel doing the same thing their idols and mentors the nazis had to do! Lebensraum anyone?

Exactly - and this is (ironicly) the only good thing in all of this.

Israel has shown that it has become a Nazi-like-ruled nation under a Hitler-like mad dog called Sharon.

Now we all learn that even a nation like Israel with the tragical history of the jews killed by the Nazis has become exactly the same like the German Reich under Hitler.

Seeking for Lebensraum they send their soldiers to kill another race (which isnt another race because both are semites) which they are discriminating day by day. Human rights are not used - because these palestines are no longer defined as humans but collectively as terrorists.

The acceptance and solidarity for Israel is fading in Europe. European peace activists have been successful to reach Arafat and stay there as a human shield to protect him against the israeli military-forces.
Yesterday german TV aired a telephone call of two german women - a mother and her daughter - who are with Arafat and who described the situation.
After this the german moderator indirectly compared Israel with the Nazis - a thing which was unthinkable for german TV before the mad days of Sharon.
And this "opening of the eyes" to see how Israel really is, is the good thing of all the madness.

Now the only interesting question is, if the USA which had destroyed the Nazi-regime of the Reich decades ago will today continue to support the terroristic Nazi regime of Israel...

easymo · « **Reply #51 on:** April 03, 2002, 02:28:50 AM »

Now we all learn that even a nation like Israel with the tragical history of the jews killed by the Nazis has become exactly the same like the German Reich under Hitler."

There see. Just when I'm trying to see both sides of the picture. A moron shows up.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 03, 2002, 02:29:25 AM »

Wasn't this whole conflict started with Israelis occupying the palestinian soil? They aren't fighting back with no reason..

Every suicide bomber is a desperate action by someone trying to defend his country without an army. The irony of the thing is though that by doing terror, they hurt the public image way more than help their country.. But desperate people do desperate things. The whole conflict has really gone to the level of insanity there - on both sides. I fully agree on Jospin's demand for both Arafat and Sharon to resign, they have been in this conflict way too long and its way too personal between the two leaders.

The US gives 6 billion dollars of foreign aid to Israel annually if I recall correctly, just start by cutting that out now that they're so superior.

This is just another religious crazy war. The jews think the land is their God given right, while palestinians think the same, just different god. The war will never ever end untill one of the peoples have been genocided.

I think this is ultimately the goal of Israel, they know historically it's the only way to go. The palestinians seem to fully agree since they keep blowing themselves up

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #53 on:** April 03, 2002, 02:37:11 AM »

"This is just another religious crazy war. The jews think the land is their God given right, while palestinians think the same, just different god"

The Jewish, Christian and Islamic god are the same God. For example IIRC the muslims belive in the story of adam and eve. They also recognize Christ as "prophet", etc. I find silly all these religious wars between the three while they all belive and worship the same god...

mrsid2 · « **Reply #54 on:** April 03, 2002, 02:42:08 AM »

Well I agree that it seems to be the same god, Islam has strong influence from christianity.

Nevertheless they are two very different religions, one of the prime issues is that there is a jewish tempel built on the vicinity of the torn down old mosque (if they believed in same thing, wouldn't it be the same if there is a temple or a mosque??)

IMO all wars based on religion are totally futile. I can't understand someone killing for his belief. I'm an agnostic and I have the firm belief that all religions are a mix of mass hysteria, superstition and collective insanity.

fdiron · « **Reply #55 on:** April 03, 2002, 03:46:14 AM »

How can one even begin to compare the Israelis with Nazis?

Nazis- Ethnic cleansing and invasion of Europe

Israelis- Precision strikes against military targets in Palestine

Of course if you dig deep enough you can find similarities

Nazis-Carried weapons

Israelis-Carry weapons

You see, the Nazis and Israelis do have something in common!

On a side note, why don't the Israelis use M1 tanks?

Wotan · « **Reply #56 on:** April 03, 2002, 03:51:06 AM »

If you do body count over the last year, or go back even further, you will see that a larger number of "innocent" Palestinians have died as a result of Israeli military actions compared to the number of Israelis killed by nail bombers.

Only the Israelis do it with weapons provided by my country. The Palestinians are struggling against their Zionist opressor. They fight back with the tools they have. For the most part its children with rocks vrs apcs and soldiers with m16s.

When you hear on the news "Israel responded today by shelling XXX town killing 12 Palestinians" who do you think they killed? The terrorist standing on top of a roof with a bullzi on his head?

On NBC's today they interviewed 2 journalists that were targeted by Israeli soldiers. One was shot in the neck. To hear them (the journalist) tell it they were clearly indentified as journalist. Also an Italian priest was reported killed in Bethlehem. I dont think it was confirmed. I left for work soon after that report and didn't get home until late.

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The Jewish, Christian and Islamic god are the same God. For example IIRC the muslims belive in the story of adam and eve. They also recognize Christ as "prophet", etc. I find silly all these religious wars between the three while they all belive and worship the same god...

I wouldn't say that. They all trace their religious beliefs bac to the Torah (or abraham) but they take clearly different paths. The Koran, the New testament and the Talmud (it is this book(s) of Jewish laws that guides Israeli religious teaching) all reflect a complete different world and theological view.

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At Khaibar, where a lot of Jews lived, Mohammad was once offered a meal by a Jewish woman. However, the woman's plot was to poison the meal so that Mohammad may die. The Jews thought that if Mohammad was true, then he wouldn't eat it, and if he was false, he would eat it.

Well he ate it and died. The Jews also Crucfied Christ. So if your a religious nut bag (which I am not) its not hard to see why their hatred for each other goes way back.

The question is do you believe a Israeli life is more important the a Palestinian? And do they Palestinians have an obligation to there children to secure there future free of opression?

I certainly wouldn't support the US or the UN going to war to secure Palestine anything. But I think it would be correct to either support the Palestinians financially and militarily or better yet wirhdraw our support for Israel.

The world screwed up after world war 2 and it is too late now to remove the entrenched Jews. However let them bare the financial cost.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #57 on:** April 03, 2002, 03:52:48 AM »

Israel developed its own line of tanks to fit its requirements. They also have the advantage of being built completly in Israel so to be independant of other nations.

Anyway fdiron Isreal is pretty nasty military state cloaked in a shiny aura of democracy and a stunningly effective PR and lobby campaign by American Jews. Though I must admit some of their militarism is appealing to me and I wish they were open about it.

Toad · « **Reply #58 on:** April 03, 2002, 08:08:44 AM »

One BIG difference between the Israelis and the Nazis....

If you leave the Israelis alone, they pretty much leave you alone.

In '48, within 24 hours of statehood, 5 Arab armies launched a war against the Israelis. That war has never really ended.

In '39, the Nazis plunged the entire world into war when they attacked Poland.

..... and we won't even go into things like that tiny little difference of loading people into railroad cars and shipping them to places where they could be mass-murdered more efficiently.

Israelis as Nazis? Hardly. May the world never forget the difference... although some seem to be trying to blur it right now.

...and NO, I'm not a fan of Israel.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #59 on:** April 03, 2002, 12:26:45 PM »

If the german TV compares jews to nazis,would that make the germans feel less shame about the holocaust?
Maybe,but it worries me a great deal...
We might see jews lynched on the streets of europe soon again.
And that is the reason why Israel must be.
There was one thing the jews learned from the holocaust,and it`s:
NEVER AGAIN