Can We Do Somthing About The N1K-2 J?

[JoeCrip]

First, A Story:

When 1.09 first came out, i found my self in a 4 vs 4. It was me (in a 109 e-4), with a spit 1, a spit 1, and a hurr 1. We were fighting 2 bf110's and 2 spit 1's. So, here we have a balanced fight, with everyone testing out the new planes and having fun. About 3 mins into the fight, and no one had died. I though to myself, Wow! , this is a fun fight. Well, i spoke too soon. Here we are, me and my 3 countrymen in early war planes, when all of a sudden a N1K-2J comes along. Kills me and my 3 country men.

Ok, there's the story. This plane is just too unbalancing in a fight.

My 2 Idea's

1) Lower to eny of the n1k-2 to about 5 eny, and give it a small perk value like the f4u-1c. Why was the 1c perked? wasnt it beacuase of the good guns, good speed. Well, the niki has good guns and good speed.

2) Remove the N1k-2j, and replace it with the N1k-1, which was a lot more common.

N1K-2J's were very uncommon. Here's somthing i read. Out of the 400 N1K-2J's made, about 200 of them were destory in raid's by the allies. Out of the remaining 200, 125 fell apart in the air, due to their HORRIBLE RELIABLITY.

Comments?

[J_A_B]

The N1K2 is slow as molasses, has lousy innaccurate guns, and isn't even the most common plane in the MA.   What exactly is so unbalancing about it?  

Since the early Spits and maybe even 109E can out-turn the N1K2, I'd venture to guess that the guy who killed you on that day was a decent pilot who knew what he was doing and would have killed you regardless of what he was flying.

The F4U-1C was perked because it was starting to dominate to a degree where it was messing up gameplay (it had over 20% total usage and could routinely get 1K-plus kills).  The N1K2 does neither of those things.

J_A_B

[lord dolf vader]

learn to live with it, you should have seen it befor they "fixed" it

[JoeCrip]

I know what the n1k was like in 1.07, and they did fix it in 1.08...but not enough. The guy who killed all 4 of us was some 32094230 guy. I remeber some n1k-2j piolt saying that the n1k-2j was a difficult plane to master, and it required a lot of work. Well, that isnt the case in AH.

[-ammo-]

I dont really see a problem with it joecrip. The scenario you described was a dreamland in the MA, to expect some guy to happen along and not engage you in the MA (whatever AC he was in) is absurd.

The N1K is a good AC that is decent in all categories (except speed), but certainly is not the best in those categories.

[Montezuma]

So you got your bellybutton kicked while flying a 109E-4, what do you expect in the MA?

Originally posted by JoeCrip

Out of the 400 N1K-2J's made, about 200 of them were destory in raid's by the allies. Out of the remaining 200, 125 fell apart in the air, due to their HORRIBLE RELIABLITY.

Comments?

Sure you were not reading about the FW-190D9?

[fdiron]

Holy crap, only 200 N1K-Js made it airborne?  I know the creators of Aces High dont perk on the rarity of the aircraft, but come on.  The N1k can outperform an F4U1-C in many categorys:  Turn rate, acceleration, climb rate, visibility, stall speed, landing characteristics- just to name a few!  I am pretty sure that the N1k out accelerates an F4U in a dive for the first few thousand feet also.

I was disappointed with the increase in perk price for the F4u-1c.  I guess people were flying it too much.  At least I'm glad the N1k doesnt unbalance the arena.

[JoeCrip]

Ok, ok. What about the N1K1 idea...it was like the N1K-2J, only a bit slower, 2x20mm, and 2x7mm, turned a bit worse, And A LOT more common, then the rarely seen IRL N1k-2j

[Kieran]

Joecrip-

If I'd come along in a 190A5 I could have done the same thing to you- it might have taken a little longer, but you all would probably have died.

It just happened to be a N1K2 this time. Next time it will be a mustang, or an F4U, or any other of a number of planes that flat outperform those aircraft. Needless to say, you haven't proven anything overwhelming in any way.

Sorry your early war fight was broken up. You really should have tried the CT in the BoB setup, it was a blast.

[JoeCrip]

Well, i also hoped you had gotten this out of the story:

Here we all are testing and having fun with the new planes. In this case they were BOB planes, but i am sure the same thing would have happened if the new planes were 1944 planes, or 1945 planes. Anyway, here we were testing the new planes, everyone having fun, seeing how these planes preform, ect, ect. When some N1k-2j dweeb who could give 2 F**k's about the new planes dives in, and ends the fight. What i am trying to say, besides that this plane dominates a fight is, Niki dweebs are always gonna be niki dweebs. They will always fly the niki beacuse they know that they can control the fight.

I would Love for 1 day have the Niki, La7, and Spit disabled. It would be funny seeing a niki dweeb in a 190a8...i could just imagine it...

[Tac]

lowering ENY wont do any good. People will still fly it and quake in it.

The n1ks one and ONLY bad thing is its not-so-good top speed. Note I said not-so-good.. the n1k can dive to near 500mph and still be able to manouver far better than a 109 at the same speeds. The only thing you can really do vs a n1k is outdive it. If you engage it in vertical fights, it will hover on its engine down to 25 mph, at which point it stalls as gently as a P-38 (laughable). If you turn with it you'd better be in a spit or hurricane or zeke, or it will eat you. On the firepower dept, the cannons it has may not be the hizookas of the C-hog, but 3 or 5 hits from that thing will seriously damage you if it doesnt kill you outright. A n1k can hit up to d700 (some folks spray and hit up to d950 in my experience).

Something I've wanted to know is if HTC has modelled the increased drag caused by then n1k's AUTOMATIC butterfly flaps? I know the flaps dont deploy on their own in that thing in AH.

Just to think that if that thing would deploy the flaps on its own creating a lot of drag, it would not be able to pull most of the shtuff it pulls now.

[JoeCrip]

D950? That all?
I found it amazing when a 20mm from a N1k-2j hit my 500 MPH 262 from D1.2.

Alothough, stranger thing have happened...like that 262 you kill from d750 with the 30mm Tac

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by JoeCrip

1) Lower to eny of the n1k-2 to about 5 eny, and give it a small perk value like the f4u-1c. Why was the 1c perked? wasnt it beacuase of the good guns, good speed. Well, the niki has good guns and good speed.
Comments?

Hispanos are much better guns than the Japanese counterparts.  Hardly a comparision.

14 fighters in AH are slower (top end deck) than the N1K
29 are faster.

33 fighters in AH are slower (top end deck) than the F4u-1C
10 are faster (including 3 other Corsairs).


eskimo

[Hangtime]

yer all a buncha dweebs. wanh. wanh. fly my way, and get rid of those gay-ray rides everybody else flies. wanh. wanh.

[Saurdaukar]

JoeCrip - if you are expecting an answer to your question, you probably wont get it (Read my thread, "Of Dweebs and Perks").  The vast majority of people on this BBS are more interested in starting a flame war than commenting on your idea.  (Read: ~youre a sucky pilot, etc)

What do I think?  I think the N1k is an aircraft that has an unbalancing effect on the arena.  What do i think about replacing it with the N1k1?  Bad idea.  I think the N1k1 should be introduced, but the N1k2J should be perked... 10 at least.  It is not a supirior aircraft to the F4U1-C IMHO, but the qualities is possess allow inexperienced pilots to effectively play god in fight.  (Read: lack of torque from a 2000HP engine, hanging on its prop, 850 rounds of spray and pray 20mm's and good speed, good manuverability.)

I think alot of these comments about "god-like" aircraft are coming from those of us from AW.  Even tho Ive been here for the better part of 6 months, Im stil geting used to the environment here - certain things just dont work in AH as the game seems to be dependent on the aircraft winning the fight as opposed to the pilot.  (Cant wait to see the reaction to that comment)  

Enjoy