Author Topic: Can We Do Somthing About The N1K-2 J? (Read 1554 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #15 on:** April 07, 2002, 03:29:31 PM »

Joe now you know how I feel when I'm fighting in my Spit V and some dweeb comes a long in an uber-late-war-half-destroyed-on-the-ground G-10 or D-9.

JoeCrip · « **Reply #16 on:** April 07, 2002, 03:31:29 PM »

Saurdaukar, you thoughs and opinion are apricated! I was expecing to get the usuall "IS THIS A WHINE!!"

Tac · « **Reply #17 on:** April 07, 2002, 03:50:27 PM »

Kieran · « **Reply #18 on:** April 07, 2002, 03:59:43 PM »

Joe, it is YOU that are missing the point (and no, I am not looking for a flamewar, Saur).

The 190A5 is a 1941 plane. It would have creamed all of your BoB planes in that duel easily. What the Nikki did was far from extraordinary. Instead of seeing this, you have attempted to turn this example into evidence the Nikki is ruining MA play. What this ignores is the fact the MA is full of plenty of mid and late war planes that are far worse than the Nikki.

Honestly, I cannot remember so many "the sky is falling" posts in such a short span of time. Must be a full moon or something.

You appear to have some serious problems with the Nikki- why is anyone's guess, but I certainly have not jumped to the conclusion you are a bad pilot. I think I can fairly conclude you are trying to eliminate the Nikki from the arena. I also note the appelation you apply to anyone who flies it. This suggests you really believe you have to prove what a barrel-chested, fur-bearing he-man you are by flying the early stuff. Go ahead, do so, but don't expect others will follow suit.

Consider this: some people want to fly exotic stuff. They just do, that's why. How many other sims let you fly a Nikki in this type of environment? Ta152s? C205s or C202s? Tempests or Typhoons? Yaks? La5s or La7s? And why the heck should any time be spent on building these planes if people like you are going to come in here and try to declare them off-limits by applying derogatory appelations on them? Sure, old-timers like me will laugh at your imagined elitism, but the new guys fall for it. There's the harm.

Bottom line is you control you. In the MA, it is pointless to rend your clothes and throw dust on your head because you feel people don't play the way you think they should or with the tools you think they should use. The MA is what it is. Honestly, for all you guys complaining about the overpopulation of certain types of planes, precious few of you show your tails in the CT, where you have precisely the type of environment you claim to crave in order to enjoy this sim. Fact is, you don't really want what you ask for.

JoeCrip · « **Reply #19 on:** April 07, 2002, 04:05:59 PM »

I see you point Kieran, and it is a vaild one indeed. But the situation i descibed was literly 1-2 hours after 1.09 had come out. EVERYONE was in the new planes, even the dedicated la7 and spit piolts, except a select few who deicded they wanted to dominate all the new planes with there little niki.

JoeCrip · « **Reply #20 on:** April 07, 2002, 04:09:26 PM »

Ok, another idea poped into my head. There were 400 niki's, 200 got straffed by Allied Forces. So we are down to 200. Approx. 125 of those N1k-2j's fell apart do to reliabilty. So, we have 75 good working N1k-2j's left. How about, you are only allowed up to 75 death's in the Nik-2j per/tour?

I am not trying to elimate the Niki and it's flyers, just simply throwing out some idea's to help limit it.

Karnak · « **Reply #21 on:** April 07, 2002, 04:20:36 PM »

Let me get this right, a late 1944 Japanese fighter destroyed 3-4 1940 British and German fighters and is so proven to be overly powerful?

Any 1944 fighter would have done the same.

"Japanese" does not equal "crap" when it comes to WWII fighters. Sorry to pop your bubble. Hell, the best Japanese fighter isn't even in AH yet.

Sure, 200 N1K2s were destroyed on the ground. That doesn't tell us that they never flew combat missions before being destroyed on the ground. The ones that suffered mechanical failures in flight did not suffer them all on the flight from the factory, many flew multiple missions before suffering the failure that destroyed them. How many were made operational again by ground crews using parts from 2 or more destroyed aircraft? You're making an awful lot of assumptions to reach the 75 number.

Do you think the Spit IX should be perked? Only 300 or so of the version we have in AH were built.

1-2 hours after 1.09 had come out I was in a fight against a higher Spit I whith my Spit I. Co-alt with me were a friendly N1K2 and La-7. I got the kill.

BTW, Kieran, the Fw190A-5 is a 1943 fighter.

JoeCrip · « **Reply #22 on:** April 07, 2002, 04:51:28 PM »

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Do you think the Spit IX should be perked? Only 300 or so of the version we have in AH were built.

Yes, in fact, I think the top 5 planes should be given small perk values as follows:

Shitfire 9 Had the most kills, so it is 5 perks
Runstang Came in 2nd place, so it is 4 perks
Nikiddy Came in 3rd Place, so it is 3 perks
Lag 7 Came in 4th place, so it is 2 perks
Shitfire 5 Came in 5th place, so it is 1 perk

Sounds like a reasonable idea? no?

Kieran · « **Reply #23 on:** April 07, 2002, 04:54:05 PM »

Karnak-

My apologies. Of course the 190A5 variant is later.

Karnak · « **Reply #24 on:** April 07, 2002, 04:57:48 PM »

JoeCrip,

Ignoring your juvenile language, no, I don't think that is a good idea. Perking all of the aircraft that people like to fly is a great way to lose customers and a great way to go out of business.

I would suggest that you simply deal with it and not try to force others to conform to your preffered style of play.

john9001 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 07, 2002, 05:06:47 PM »

keep your hands off my stang, i don't like it when i'm shot down but i don't cry about it

NUTTZ · « **Reply #26 on:** April 07, 2002, 05:16:32 PM »

Stands Up and Applaudes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great post!!! You said what I have been thinking.

I love the Niki and get called a Niki dweed, now i fly the bf-110 and get MORE kills per sortie, guess I'm still a skillless pilot painted with a widebrush.

NUTTZ

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Originally posted by Kieran
Joe, it is YOU that are missing the point (and no, I am not looking for a flamewar, Saur).

The 190A5 is a 1941 plane. It would have creamed all of your BoB planes in that duel easily. What the Nikki did was far from extraordinary. Instead of seeing this, you have attempted to turn this example into evidence the Nikki is ruining MA play. What this ignores is the fact the MA is full of plenty of mid and late war planes that are far worse than the Nikki.

Honestly, I cannot remember so many "the sky is falling" posts in such a short span of time. Must be a full moon or something.

You appear to have some serious problems with the Nikki- why is anyone's guess, but I certainly have not jumped to the conclusion you are a bad pilot. I think I can fairly conclude you are trying to eliminate the Nikki from the arena. I also note the appelation you apply to anyone who flies it. This suggests you really believe you have to prove what a barrel-chested, fur-bearing he-man you are by flying the early stuff. Go ahead, do so, but don't expect others will follow suit.

Consider this: some people want to fly exotic stuff. They just do, that's why. How many other sims let you fly a Nikki in this type of environment? Ta152s? C205s or C202s? Tempests or Typhoons? Yaks? La5s or La7s? And why the heck should any time be spent on building these planes if people like you are going to come in here and try to declare them off-limits by applying derogatory appelations on them? Sure, old-timers like me will laugh at your imagined elitism, but the new guys fall for it. There's the harm.

Bottom line is you control you. In the MA, it is pointless to rend your clothes and throw dust on your head because you feel people don't play the way you think they should or with the tools you think they should use. The MA is what it is. Honestly, for all you guys complaining about the overpopulation of certain types of planes, precious few of you show your tails in the CT, where you have precisely the type of environment you claim to crave in order to enjoy this sim. Fact is, you don't really want what you ask for.

Slayer · « **Reply #27 on:** April 07, 2002, 05:43:19 PM »

Everytime I see you in the MA and you get shot down by a "dweeb plane" you cry about it on open channel. I like seeing them nikis cause they are a fiter magnet everyone wants to kill beacuse of the eny value. I shot down a few last night in my 38. I can take them out easily when i up a f4u. I fly many different planes in the MA beacuse of what the different capabilities are. If iam playing desprate base defense iam gonna grab a "dweeb" plane regardless. I havent flown a niki in months and dont know what the changes are with the 1.08 conversion but it seems slight. Here is some real life combat traning for ya. 1. Circumstances Dictate Tacticts. 2. A great Tactictioner never involves himself in a fair fight. People get dedicated to a paticular plane. I for one would probably be flying a p-40 if there was one however I would expect to get my arse handed to me on a platter. But I would be a great piolt in that plane.

Montezuma · « **Reply #28 on:** April 07, 2002, 05:54:40 PM »

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Originally posted by JoeCrip
But the situation i descibed was literly 1-2 hours after 1.09 had come out.

So why whine about it now, weeks later?

Are you worried that your whine about kill stealing will not lock up the award for you this week?

JoeCrip · « **Reply #29 on:** April 07, 2002, 06:08:53 PM »

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So why whine about it now, weeks later?

This really inst a whine. I threw out a few idea's on how to limit niki's. You imedialy though "he is a LW, and he said somthing about niki's...IT"S A WHINE!!"

Why did I wait? I felt like it