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Offline SKurj

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AMD CPU Reccommendations?
« on: April 25, 2002, 11:06:11 AM »
Oy

Gonna buy a new CPU probably early MAY, I am looking at the XP 2000+
Is there anything I should know before purchasin?
I am using a non-DDR mobo.

Intel fans stay out +) I cannot afford mobo upgrade at the time.


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AMD CPU Reccommendations?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2002, 11:10:34 AM »
You may want to say what motherboard you are currently using and what you are upgrading from.

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2002, 11:20:49 AM »
A7V 133A, latest revision, and it will take the cpu as far as I know.  I am upgrading from a Duron 800


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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2002, 11:52:33 AM »
As far as I know the A7V133 can accept all the Palomino core Athlon XPs, which means up to an XP 2100.  It will likely require a bios flash to support the higher speed CPUs.  The next Athlon XP core Thoroughbred (sp) (which should be out by then, mobile Athlon XPs with this core officially launched a couple days ago)  will undoubtedly require a lower core voltage; I do not know if the KT133a chipset does/could support them.

There are a couple things to mention here:
1.  You won't get the added benefit of SSE instructions, which the Athlon XP added, unless you reinstall Windows.  Depending on the applications you use, this could be very significant.  Many drivers are optimized for SSE as well.

2.  Your system would be significantly faster if you were to get a new motherboard with a newer chipset and DDR ram support.  (Probably ~10 - 20 % faster overall with the same CPU ).  This option would, of course, depend on your budget.  Be sure whatever you buy can support the Thoroughbred Athlons when they do come out.  (Yes, I read your post. ;) I just wanted to mention it. )

3.  An XP 2000 class CPU is going to put out a lot more heat than a Duron 800, be sure you have good cooling.  You are probably going to need a different heatsink.

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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2002, 01:20:38 PM »
if you get the amd athlon xp main board make sure you DO NOT GET WINDOWS XP WITH IT there are a lot of problems when used to gether trusst me i know (whe nyou set up a multiple sign in the paint msn messenger and the volume controls magicly dissapear)

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XP2000 CPU is overkill.
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2002, 02:14:59 PM »
The Athlon XP2000 is a powerful piece of hardware and would improve your PC performance greatly. However, unless you are planning to run a Database application with dozens of users or some massive algorithm it is mostly wasted power. Anything over around 1Gig is overkill for any home PC. There simply are no applications out there that require that kind of capability.
   If I were you, I would look at a 1.2 to 1.5 Gig Athlon chip, which will provide you the Cache that the Duron lacks, and save the extra cash for a kick-ass video card.

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2002, 07:13:08 PM »
too much power is like too much fun, too much money, too much love, too much...well you get the picture:)

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While we are on the subject of AMD chips
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2002, 11:50:41 PM »
I have a quick question. Whats the difference between a

AMD Athlon T-Brid 1.4ghz  266 fsb

and a

AMD Athlon XP 1700+ 1.47GHZ

wheres the advantage in the XP series? I mean is the XP running at 1.7 or 1.4 ?
« Last Edit: April 25, 2002, 11:54:55 PM by SunKing »

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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2002, 12:06:28 AM »
i believe its because of the XP's Quantispeed architecture is going to make it run alot faster then the T-bird,  if i understood correctly it has 4 266mhz bus lines. i could be completly wrong. if i am im sorry and someone please correct me.

the 1.4 ghz rating is correct, the 1700 is supposed to indicate that it runs as fast or faster then the p4 1.7 ghz. the AMD is supposed to be alot more efficient than the p4 according to some people ive talked to and articles ive read. but like i said, i could be wrong as hell about this so you guys take it easy on me if i am. :)
« Last Edit: April 26, 2002, 12:14:47 AM by Slash27 »

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2002, 03:12:25 AM »
The XP series of CPUs are sold under a rating system, rather than their clockspeed.

The 1700+ model actually runs at a clockspeed of 1.47 Ghz.  Now that I've said that, read on, because there are some points that need made:

1.  The XP 1700+ actually performs overall a bit better than a 2 Ghz P4 of the older "Willamette" design, and roughly better than a conjectural 1.7 Ghz "Northwood" core P4.  Intel does not actually make a P4 1.7 Ghz with the Northwood core, those are at 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, 2.2, and 2.4 Ghz.  You can tell a northwood from a willamette by the socket (478 vs 423 pins) and Intel uses an 'A' in the name for the 2.0 Ghz and below.  All P4s at > 2.2 Ghz are northwoods.  All Athlon processors perform much better than P4s at the same clockspeeds, AMD accounts for this by assigning a model number to them.  You really should look at places like http://www.anandtech.com to get a true idea on how these CPUs stack up.  The model rating uses a number of tests, and IMO is actually very conservative, but there are some areas where an Athlon will crush the P4, and some areas where the P4 is better than the Athlon.

2.  The current Athlon XPs, which uses the Palomino core, vs the older Thunderbird core of the previous Athlon.  Compared to Thunderbird (tbird), the Palomino core incorporates a couple improvements to the CPU itself which mean it performs a bit better than a Thunderbird would at the same clockspeed.  Without detailing out exactly what they do (which would be a little beyond the scope of this post), these are support for SSE instructions (Intel created these, the P3 was the first CPU to use them), hardware prefetch, optimized die layout (reduces heat), larger TLB buffers (transistion lookaside), and a couple other minor things.  The big one here is SSE instruction support, this allows the Athlon XP to take advantage of Intel P3 optimized programs AND programs which are optimized for AMDs own 3dnow instruction set.  (Note, if you switch from a Tbird or Duron < 1GHz, you need to reinstall Windows to enable this function.)  All told, a Palomino core Athlon XP will perform about 10 - 20% better than a tbird core Athlon at the same clockspeed.  AMD invented a marketing name for these additions, calling it "Quantispeed."  (Intel did the same for the P4, calling it "netburst"  which btw has nothing to do with the internet and will not 'speed up your internet' by any amount whatsoever.  The processor has ABSOLUTELY zero effect on your connection speed.  I don't really know why Intel would want to confuse uninformed buyers with this.)

(Slash, I'm not sure what you mean by that "4 266 Mhz bus lines" thing.  I'm pretty sure what you are confused with is what is known as the FSB (front side bus), which links the CPU to the motherboard chipset.  The later tbird Athlons and all Athlon XPs use a 133 Mhz bus, but at double data rate (DDR), which is the equivilant of having a 266 Mhz bus.)

For the record, the XP 1500 + runs at a true clockspeed of 1333 Mhz, the 1600+ at 1400 Mhz, the 1700 + at 1466 Mhz, the 1800 + at 1533 Mhz, the 1900 + at 1600 Mhz, the 2000+ at 1666 Mhz, the 2100+ at 1733 Mhz.  Can you see the pattern, there is a 66.67 Mhz true clockspeed difference between them.  If you want to get really general with this rating system, you can gather that an Athlon would be around 33 % more powerful than a P4 Northwood at the same true clockspeed.  That's making some really basic generalizations on typical PC usage and is full of loopholes, but it's not a bad assumption.

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2002, 06:44:06 AM »
HI,

I have had absolutely NO problems with my hardware setup. I built it myself. Here tis......

Athlon XP 1800+ (retail box, supplied heatsink and fan),
ECS K7S5A (SiS chipset) Motherboard,
512MB DDR RAM,
Radeon 8500 video,
Sounblaster Live 5.1 sound,
Altech Lansing ACS33 speakers,
NEC 19" monitor
Windows XP

The motherboard is only about $50 and is FAST and STABLE.

Total system cost was about $1000.

There are newer Motherboards now (my system was built 6 months ago) but you cannot go wrong with the above equipment.

thats my 2 cents

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Offline SKurj

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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2002, 09:45:51 AM »
thanx guys

Bloom i am running XP Pro, ya think a reinstal would still be needed?

Yeah finances is the issue.  I bought the 133A about a month before the 266 boards started appearing, and for the moment i can afford one or the other (cpu/mainboard)

Cooling is well looked after already by globalwin
BIOS already updated

if finances permit (and job #3 of 3 work out) i'll look at a new board.

The goals for this yrs upgrade are replacing cpu (duron 800 to XP2000+), vidcard(GF2 MX to GF4 Ti4400) and just maybe a monitor.


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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2002, 10:13:24 AM »
skurj, I am quite pleased with my setup.
    AMD XP1600
    EPoX 8KHA+ MB
    512 Mb DDR PC2100 RAM (this has more than doubled in price since I purchased in NOV last year.
    Gainward Geforce 3 Original
    onboard sound (dumped SBlive)
    Volcano 6 fan and sink
    several case fans
    and all the other stuff


AH performance is awesome. runs IL2 well too.  This setup should last me for quite some time. I also am using win2K as my OS. Highly reccomend it (or XP) for its stability and versatality.
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2002, 11:04:54 AM »
To answer your orginal question I am running AMD2000+ on w2k and its fine.... cpu temps run normally at 50c which bothered me at first but I got used to it...... goes to 60c running AH......  have experienced no heat related problems.... actually have experienced no problems at all heat related or otherwise...

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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2002, 11:07:09 AM »
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Originally posted by vorticon
if you get the amd athlon xp main board make sure you DO NOT GET WINDOWS XP WITH IT there are a lot of problems when used to gether trusst me i know (whe nyou set up a multiple sign in the paint msn messenger and the volume controls magicly dissapear)


ummm ive been running Soyo Dragon + with XP1900 for 4 months now with Windows XP Pro. not 1 problem with either of them.


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