Chiming in on the "Perk La7" Movement

[Samm]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying


I don't see why the La7 should be perkworthy because it outperforms some of the perk planes in certain categories.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Really ? You don't ? Because that's the only reason some planes are perked .

The common denominator of all perk planes with the exception of the chog is speed . Now some are going to say "yeah but it's not super extra fast at high alt" . Oh you mean like the tempest ? You mean up high where nobody fights ? So. The ta152 isn't super extra fast on the deck .

If someone still doesn't understand this I'm not going to waste anymore time on them . I think dead just likes to argue, but as I pointed out allready he agrees with me .

[rabbit]

Because that's the only reason some planes are perked .

The common denominator of all perk planes with the exception of the chog is speed . Now some are going to say "yeah but it's not super extra fast at high alt" . Oh you mean like the tempest ? You mean up high where nobody fights ? So. The ta152 isn't super extra fast on the deck .

very good point. and maybe more so since it is good at lo alt?

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Samm
I didn't say majority of perk planes . Of course it doesn't do everything better than the majority of the perk planes . You said it is equal or better than some of the perk planes, so it appears you agree with me . If someone needs pursuading that it is as good a fighter as some of the perk planes  I'm not going to waste my time on them . Don't try to teach a pig to sing .

[/B]

Go back and read what I've written, and you'll find that you've completely misunderstood just about everything I'm arguing.  I've already stated that just about EVERY plane is better or equal to some perk planes depending on which category you examine.  The La7 is no different, but if we create an index of desirability as you've suggested, the currently perked planes would be ranked higher due to an overall proponderance of excellence.

Lol tac still says the la5 is much better but he's in favor of perking the la7 not the la5 .

[/B]

I disagree with Tac.
 
[/QUOTE][/B]So you are arguing that the ta152 and chog is better than the la7, I knew somebody would try . Remember keep it real . [/B][/QUOTE]

Overall, I would definitely consider them better... the CHog in particular.  Nothing in AH matches its combination of sheer lethality and accessibility.  There's a reason it possessed 20% of the arena kills back before it was perked, and it would probably still hold a disproportionately large percentage if it were unperked today.  Like I said... I'd like to see the La7 lug 1000 pound bombs, rockets, and drop tanks from a carrier or airfield.  The F4U-1C is an unmatched attack platform.

The Ta152 is the Dora on steroids with incredibly lethal guns and plenty of ammo.  It's certainly a better, faster buff interceptor than the 110G2.  If it were unperked, it would quickly gain a following among the current 190 drivers.  It already possesses a K/D ratio greater than either the La7 or the Dora, both of which are highly survivable planes.  Underrated.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Samm
The common denominator of all perk planes with the exception of the chog is speed . Now some are going to say "yeah but it's not super extra fast at high alt" . Oh you mean like the tempest ? You mean up high where nobody fights ? So. The ta152 isn't super extra fast on the deck .

[/B]

No, the common denominator is a combination of factors that greatly enhance survivability.  Those include speed for sure, but also climb rate, acceleration, lethality, and performance at all altitudes.  Do you honestly think the sky won't be filled with Ta152s if they're unperked?  You're kidding yourself.

Your Tempest example also misses the point of looking at the overall picture.  By including such a narrow criteria as simply speed at low alts, you're missing the bigger picture.  The Tempest is at least as fast as the La7 if not faster.  It accelerates like a monster.  It climbs like a rocket.  It turns well, and it handles great at medium to high speeds.  In addition, it sports four 20mm Hispano cannons.  So while it doesn't excel at high altitudes, it utterly dominates at the lower ones.  The La7 has nothing on it.

If someone still doesn't understand this I'm not going to waste anymore time on them . I think dead just likes to argue, but as I pointed out allready he agrees with me .

Keep deluding yourself.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Samm]

Basically it comes down to if you think the La7 is better or as good a fighter than some perk planes . Most players I think beleive that it is, and I think they're right . I think arguing against something that is imo appearant is only hurting your cedibility  . I should add that I don't want to see the La7 perked . I just think the point that I've seen put forth, that the La7 is equal or better than the lesser perk planes is a valid one .

[Innominate]

If i'm wrong here, please someone say something,

The ta152 is perked mainly because of it's excellent high-altitude performance.
The la7 doesnt need to be perked because it's only good at low altitude.

There is something wrong here, seeing as virtually all fighting is low level, and when it's not, hitting the deck is always an option.  It would seem to me that either, the ta152 should be unperked based on the la7 reasoning, or the la7 perked based on the ta152 reasoning.

Then again, I'm still new, so I could be completly and utterly wrong.

[Samm]

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I'd guess that the La7 is only faster than some of the perked planes, and even then only at low altitudes.

Ok just making sure this wasn't a product of my delussions . You say I'm deluded, but you want us to believe that the f4u1c is a better fighter than the La7.

[Turbot]

Do you honestly think the sky won't be filled with Ta152s if they're unperked? You're kidding yourself.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Actually  this is already being tried.  The Ta152's are free in CT, they aren't filling the sky and further has a negative K/D ratio of .97:1  (Even the 109E has turned in a better performance for goodness sake!)

In some cases perking doesn't matter.  Some planes, regardess of perks, are just overshadowed by others in actual everyday killing ability.  People will fly planes bacsed more on that than anything else - unless there is a suitable reason to do otherwise.

[Samm]

The Tempest is at least as fast as the La7 if not faster.

right, that's why it should cost more.

It accelerates like a monster. It climbs like a rocket. It turns well, and it handles great at medium to high speeds.

You just described the La7.

[Samm]

No, the common denominator is a combination of factors that greatly enhance survivability.

Yes, the common denomitator IS speed . You see all the perk planes are faster than any plane that is not perked . Oh wait, no they're not, there is that one russian plane .

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Samm
You just described the La7.

Or, the Yak-9U.

My regards,

Widewing

[Nifty]

The La-7 turns well at NO speed.  It turns average at low speeds, not too bad at medium speeds, and doesn't turn well at all at higher speeds.  A Mosquito can follow a La-7 through turns, rolls and vertical moves at 350+.   It rolls reasonably well at medium speeds, and rolls poorly at higher speeds.

Over 300mph, a CHog will out roll and out turn a La-7.   I'd even venture that'd be true down to 250mph.  The La-7 has better top speed low alt, and better acceleration low alt.   It doesn't turn better at speed, which is what you're basing the La-7's uberness on.  Armament?  Don't even try to take the La-7 into the CHog's realm there.  2 shvaks (200rpg) or 3 b-20s (150 rpg) does not come close to 4 Hispanos (230 rpg for 2, and 232 rpg for the other 2).  The La-7 carries ONE 100kg bomb (close to 250lbs).  The F4U-1C carries 2000 lbs of ordnance and 4 hvar 5 in rockets.

I agree 100% with Lev's assessment of the CHog vs the La-7.

edit:  Puke, that film better not be from last night with me squeaking about getting constantly gang banged!  

[Samm]

The La7 does everything better than the f4u1s, that includes high speed turn . The only thing that the f4u1c has over it is armament . As for air to ground capability that's irrelevant as it has never been and I expect never will be a consideration for perking a plane .

[Steven]

<>  -Nifty

LOL.  Nawww, it's from a little after you had to leave.  I upped a CV in the NW of the map and though I rarely film, I was filming this time and had a 3-kill run...two of which were LA7s.    Anyway, the 2nd LA7 comes in on me fast from my 6 and I had this thread in my mind and I thought, 'okay, I'm gonna yank and bank in a scissors and try to get this guy to overshoot and he's going to recapture his E and bite my tail off.'  Well, I do it and get him to overshoot after about 3 or 4 flat scissor moves and with my up view see him crossing me from right to my left and he just pulls his nose up and reverses and goes the other way while I'm nursing some slow pig of a 'Hog' which will barely roll or turn or anything.  I'm guessing the LA7 didn't want to slow down any more considering the furball nearby and that's what saved me.  I ended up hunting him down and killing him too!  heh heh.   I gotta enjoy this while I can because it's rare I can go 1v1 on an LA7 and come out on top...eventually.  

The bad thing is films don't show the blackouts and stall buzzer and you can't feel how heavy the aircraft is or that I want to roll left but the aircraft wallows and yaws right and then rolls right on me.  When slow and nose up, I can get that F4U-1 in some really weird positions.  I think I got two LA7s and a Spit in the film so it's a keeper for me!  Too bad I couldn't get a N1K then I would've had all three of the Three Stooges of the MA.  Nyuck nyuck.

[Nifty]

please direct me to the La-7 you fly.  The one I select in the hangar is obviously different from the one you fly!