Author Topic: D9 invincivility / eficiency in MA (Read 3473 times)

Kieran · « **Reply #150 on:** December 31, 2001, 09:36:00 AM »

Lazs-

I do recall a test conducted that showed the D9 gun dispersement was radically different from the dispersement of a similarly armed A5. This is probably what Man is referring to, in which case he would be right.

Urchin · « **Reply #151 on:** December 31, 2001, 06:58:00 PM »

Dora is a hell of a ride, even for the Ma. Lazs is right though, it is boring as hell to fly.

Flew it and the P-38 the most this tour, did FAR better K/D wise in the Dora, but I had more fun flying the P-38.

lazs1 · « **Reply #152 on:** January 01, 2002, 11:08:00 AM »

kieran.. if that is the case then if both gunsets were exactly the same, mounted in the same place on the same weight planes on the same wings and airframe at the same speeds then the dispertion should be the same.

If the plane then get's a 10/1 K/D ratio then maybe it shouldn't even be in the game? It hardly existed anyway. It perhaps cuts both ways?
lazs

Kieran · « **Reply #153 on:** January 01, 2002, 11:13:00 AM »

Lazs, I don't think you understand. There was a test conducted by one of our members where he taxiied up to a hangar and fired. He did this with both planes, same distance, same guns, same gun convergence settings, and the results were wildly different. I saw the pics. It had nothing to do with weight of aircraft, speed, nada. It was about the way the guns worked. It seemed apparent to me there was a flaw.

Anyone remember the test to which I am referring? I can't remember who did it.

Edit: As to whether or not the D9 belongs in the game, I am not even debating that point. I like it and think it is fun to fly, and in some ways is the best plane in the game. Mandoble does have a valid point WRT its ability to snapshot kill. It is the main reason I fly the A5 over the D9, because aside from guns I could do about anything in the D9 I can in the A5.

[ 01-01-2002: Message edited by: Kieran ]

lazs1 · « **Reply #154 on:** January 01, 2002, 11:55:00 AM »

Ok kieran.. but the mounting points and wing (stifness) would of course matter.
lazs

Kieran · « **Reply #155 on:** January 01, 2002, 12:07:00 PM »

There's the rub, Lazs. The wings are virtually identical (within 2 inches) and the mounting is the same. This does suggest there is a problem with dispersion one way or the other. Mind you, it is a minor problem in comparison to others, but it does seem there is something worth looking at down the road sometime. I certainly don't have my panties in a wad over it, for sure.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #156 on:** January 02, 2002, 05:33:00 AM »

lazs, where have I said the guns or the plane needs to be fixed?
This thread was not intended to be a technical whine about D9. Before starting this thread, several people aseverated D9 was a monster and should be perked. I said D9 was not designed for our MA and that SpitIX is better suited for that environment and was a better candidate to enter into the perk zone. No one, except you, is debating about errors in the model. About that gun test, I remember it. And yep, the disperion was very different between the two planes. But that has nothing to do with the spirit of this thread. Even more, I've said over'n over that, IMO, K/D is not an important factor. But, if you are interested into having and enormous K/D ratio, just pickup a SpitIX, climb to 30k and start diving and climbing with it, you will have far better chances to kill anything this way than trying it with the pathetic snapshot capability of the D9.

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: MANDOBLE ]

lazs1 · « **Reply #157 on:** January 02, 2002, 07:53:00 AM »

well... I only said that the guns worked pretty well and kieran said that something was wrong with em. I am saying that if the guns and.... the plane itself.. are not suited to the arena then I have failed to see why. The plane has about the hitghest non perked K/D ratio. It is pretty untouchable. It is very much more suited to the ma than the Spit if getting a high K/D and surviving are factors to you.

If a high K/D and survival are not a factor to you and fun is a larger factor then yu need to rethink your plane choice. I believe that the less D9's in the arena the more fun the arena is. You apparently feel the same but won't admit it. Even to yourself.
lazs

Kieran · « **Reply #158 on:** January 02, 2002, 09:14:00 AM »

Whoa! I for one don't want the D-9, P-51, G-10, La-7, or anything else perked. If anything I've said indicates that, I have been in error.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #159 on:** January 02, 2002, 09:57:00 AM »

Agree Kieran, you were not supporting the idea of perking D9.
But if D9 becomes as popular as other planes are now in MA, I'll be the first one asking for perk it. I have the "absurd" idea that plane usage are directly related to plane suitability for MA.

Karnak · « **Reply #160 on:** January 02, 2002, 05:41:00 PM »

And everything suitable to the MA needs to be perked because...?

Some things are aslo more common because the are simply more enjoyable for many people to use. Spits are fun to fly, moreso than D-9s for most people.

If the Spit IX gets 20% of the kills in a tour I'll be right beside you asking for it to be perked. But we both know that isn't going to happen.

Drex · « **Reply #161 on:** January 03, 2002, 07:16:00 AM »

I am taking silent bids on my Member Number.

Drex

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #162 on:** January 03, 2002, 07:36:00 AM »

Kieren I remember the test.

I also happen to remember that the distances and angles used to snap the screenshots on the A5 and D9 were very different.

Hell, HTC put in a convergence test just for this sort of thing- anyone cared to see if there was a big difference between the D9 and A5?
-SW

hblair · « **Reply #163 on:** January 03, 2002, 08:11:00 AM »

I haven't read any of this thread, but I'd like to comment that it is really getting long.

Thanks.

Urchin · « **Reply #164 on:** January 03, 2002, 10:02:00 PM »

Swolfe, I tested it when it first came out, I noticed absolutely no difference at all between the 2 cannon A5, the 2 cannon A8, and the D9.

I honestly think the guns seem harder to hit with in deflection shots because the longer nose hides your target for more of the time.