Author Topic: D9 invincivility / eficiency in MA (Read 3915 times)

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #135 on:** December 28, 2001, 07:14:00 AM »

StSanta, I find top speed alone a poor criteria to perk a plane.

Weapons and the chance to aim them at the enemy are, IMO, more important factors.

Basically, if you disengange using your superior top speed (most of the time diving), you are not more a danger for the enemy.

Drex · « **Reply #136 on:** December 28, 2001, 09:35:00 AM »

Perking a plane to make up for poor ACM is a bad idea.

Drex

wulf14 · « **Reply #137 on:** December 28, 2001, 10:17:00 AM »

Eheheheh Drex. 8)

Please don't perk the Spitfire IXE. Then I'd have to chase down more Fw 190D-9s and La-7s for kills more in my Fw 190D-9, as opposed to killing all those slow bellybutton ugly Spitfire IXEs.

"I like Spitfires. They taste really good."

Mike/'wulf14'

Oldman731 · « **Reply #138 on:** December 28, 2001, 12:37:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Runny:

Perhaps we understand English, but really just want you to play the game your way, and let us play it ours. Some of us don't really care about the "war" and wouldn't miss it much if it went away.

Couldn't be said better than that, Runny.

- oldman

Hristo · « **Reply #139 on:** December 28, 2001, 04:20:00 PM »

Hi Nath

Nath[BDP] · « **Reply #140 on:** December 29, 2001, 10:57:00 PM »

No Karnak I was just stating that flying cautiously and trying to get a high K/d doesn't help the MA "war".

I don't think any plane should be 'perked'. I have zero trouble fighting any of the current aircraft in the planeset,be it perked or not.

AKEagle+ · « **Reply #141 on:** December 30, 2001, 01:31:00 AM »

Due to all the talk here on the Dora, I tried one out.

Pretty sweet plane

I think I will fly it a lot, has a lot of potential. Fast, climbs nice, dives fast, turns well, and LOTS of BIG guns and ammooooo

I don't usuall fly LW iron, but it is hard not to fall in love with sweet Dora

Now all I have to do is learn how to fly it! I fly like a buzzard with a broken wing, LOL!

Thanks for the tip

AKEagle+

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #142 on:** December 30, 2001, 04:05:00 AM »

I find it simply hilarious that someone who is 277:36 in a D-9 is trying to say its not really that good of a plane.

...a psychiatric dream come true.

Please note, I'm not trying to argue with Mandoble... because I know these things:

If a 190 wins a fight its because of the pilot
if a spit wins a fight its because of the plane

Those that don't understand these two rules are definately not welcome in the luftwhiner circle of friends.

AKDejaVu

Hooligan · « **Reply #143 on:** December 30, 2001, 12:19:00 PM »

Deja:

Apparently you have not been reading what Mandoble has written.

You CAN’T b&z in the main. It is simply impossible. I guess he’s been making his kills by flying that Dora like it’s an A6M. Since he has been killing spits by turn-fighting them in a Dora it MUST be the pilot.

The only other alternative is that he is lying. And I think that is against BBS rules or something.

Hooligan

Vector · « **Reply #144 on:** December 30, 2001, 02:40:00 PM »

S!
Flying mainly P-47D-11 IMO BnZ is only way to fight in it (except very few hot sticks here). Try anything else and you're dead (this goes to D-9 too). Strange to read that BnZ'ers are "second class" players and has no effect to war. BnZ'ing doesn't necessary mean that you have to fly at 30k and make max 10k dives before zooming up, it's much more funnier (and more effective to the war

) to BnZ at low alts especially to huge low level furball and scratch kill here and kill there, no?
Of course there's a risk that higher über-plane bounches and kills you, but life is full of risks.
Just my thoughts, no offence.

EDIT: I've flown D-9 only when it came available getting 63/32 K/D which equals to 1.96 or so which means that lazs is right by saying: If you can't get a 1.5/1 K/D with it then you are unsuited to flying that plane. There are very few non perked planes that give u such a huge inherent advantage.

[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: vector ]

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #145 on:** December 30, 2001, 03:27:00 PM »

Quote

You CAN’T b&z in the main. It is simply impossible.

I fully understand that Hooligan. What the dora pilots do is completely different. They come in with alot of speed and go for a snapshot... then they do rapid rolls while they "extend" and climb to do it again. Completely different than BnZ. Afterall... only runstang pilots BnZ. Everyone knows that.

Quote

I guess he’s been making his kills by flying that Dora like it’s an A6M. Since he has been killing spits by turn-fighting them in a Dora it MUST be the pilot.

You are so correct. Afterall.. when a person takes the time to complain that the plane he's only 7:1 in isn't all that great and the only thing that makes them successfull in the MA is the pilots... well... I wonder if he has a glossy 8x10 or wallet size picture of himself he uses for his "hummina" time.

AKDejaVu

AKEagle+ · « **Reply #146 on:** December 30, 2001, 03:42:00 PM »

Just a personal note here about if you can't get a 1.5:1 change the plane.

I had a .7 to 1 K/D flying mostly LA7. I just went to the Dora yesterday, got 13 kills and died 10 times (most quite stupidly I must admit)

My conclusion? D9 probably suits my flying style better than a LA7.

But it would seem to me that instead of telling newbies to fly a Spit, maybe a D9 would be a better suggestion???

AKEagle+

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #147 on:** December 30, 2001, 03:47:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
What the dora pilots do is completely different. They come in with alot of speed and go for a snapshot...

IMO, this is the best way to return to home with 0 kills every time. And to do that you dont need a D9, every fighter is able to climb to 25k, dive, look for a snapshot and climb again.

Kieran · « **Reply #148 on:** December 30, 2001, 04:37:00 PM »

Here's what I do when fighting a better turning plane when I am in any of the 190's:

1. I carry in a little speed. This can come from a slight alt advantage, or maybe WEP on the level or shallow dive for 30 seconds.

2. I try for a rear-quarter aspect, but will take high-angle deflections if I am close.

3. If I can acquire the rear quarter, I will hold a lag pursuit for perhaps 1/4-1/2 turn. If it looks as though I can get inside the guy I will stay; if not, I bug out or go vertical.

4. I use the vertical whenever possible to conserve E.

5. Never do I allow myself to get buried in a pile of Spits or anything that has good acceleration. OTOH, I would have no problem diving into a mess of P-51's.

Flown this way the 190 can pile up kills at any alt, and will usually prove slippery enough to get away when things look bad.

lazs1 · « **Reply #149 on:** December 31, 2001, 08:32:00 AM »

so mandoble... The guns (and kurt tanks ultimate fighter) will be "fixed" when you get a what?? 10/1 K/D? 20/1? 30/1? Maybe when the average for the plane is up to 5/1 or so then the LW will finally have the "correct" Dora?

Carefull what you wish for... If it weren't so boring then more people would fly it and you wouold be down to a 1.5/1 K/D instead of being able to take advantage of such an underated ride.
lazs