Author Topic: D9 invincivility / eficiency in MA (Read 3477 times)

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #90 on:** December 25, 2001, 09:21:00 AM »

Very good combination Creamo. IMO, better than D9 with D9.

Swulfe, with 1.04 we were advised that the TnB planes were to "suffer" a big boost. I dont know technically the list of changes, but these planes really suffered the promissed big boost. After that version, n1kj2 became a monster. Some months later n1kj2 was tuned down. 190A5 was also a moster and was inmediatelly tuned down. A lack of weight was detected in the F4U and it will probably be fixed too, etc, etc.
While, IMO, we have the best sim on the market, I'm sure we have not the lastest and ultimate FM. HTC is working revising planes and looking for faults. What I dont know is the level of deviation respect the original planes. Assuming that all is "perfect" is a very simplistic possition.

lazs1 · « **Reply #91 on:** December 25, 2001, 09:45:00 AM »

If you fly a D9 you are starting out with a huge advantage over about 80% of the other players... If you get less than a 1.5/1 K/D in it you are hugely unskilled or unsuited to that plane.

There.. all cleared up.
lazs

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #92 on:** December 25, 2001, 01:25:00 PM »

Hey gents, wise Lazs convinced me. Cmon, lets fly D9, if you are not hugely unskilled you'll get an excelent score.
Cmon people, lets fly it, you'll have a huge advantage over 80% of players, you are going to outgun (specially outgun), outaccelerate, outclimb, outturn and, of course, outrun almost everything in the MA at any altitude ...

Lazs, is the other 20% composed by people flying Typhs, Ponys, Las, 109s, f4Us, yaks and P38s?

Tac · « **Reply #93 on:** December 25, 2001, 02:02:00 PM »

Mwahhaah.. im gonna flame more dorka's

durruti · « **Reply #94 on:** December 25, 2001, 04:35:00 PM »

joer mandoble que manera de liarla

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #95 on:** December 25, 2001, 04:37:00 PM »

y lo que desestresa?

lazs1 · « **Reply #96 on:** December 25, 2001, 06:25:00 PM »

mandoble.. the plane does better than about 80% of the other planes available in the arena. If you can't get a 1.5/1 K/D with it then you are unsuited to flying that plane. There are very few non perked planes that give u such a huge inherent advantage. If you are unable to make use of it's strengths then.... perhaps you should find a plane more suited to your particular skills.
lazs

Creamo · « **Reply #97 on:** December 25, 2001, 06:41:00 PM »

Laz speaks the truth. Although you forget most people that fly it have some time in game to account for the guns which indeed need time on target snap shot, which I assume requires some skill.

Where I get my kills, is where P38's do. Merge LOWER,way lower with speed, and zoom up before they realize they are fuct.

That's why your Pony wingman just shreds.

I usually charge for this info, but it's Jesus's birthday.

edit- Send me Pabst Blue Ribbon for your soon MA enjoyment

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[ 12-25-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]

fdiron · « **Reply #98 on:** December 26, 2001, 02:04:00 AM »

P38 can climb away from a spitfire mkIX when using wep.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #99 on:** December 26, 2001, 05:23:00 AM »

lazs, in my personal case, D9 K/D is not the issue. Actually I have a 7.6 with D9 and more than 10 with A8 (does this mean A8 is better?). For me, kills per time and hit percentege are more important factors. K/T indicates the efficiency of the plane while hit percentage indicates the ability to get a good and solid firing possition instead of using spray'n pray tactics at more than 500 yards.
With D9 you'll be able to score a decent K/D sacrifying K/T and HP. My point is that in our MA we have infinite "lives", so K/D is not important. But we have not infinite time to achieve our main goal: take bases and defend bases.

Darkglam · « **Reply #100 on:** December 26, 2001, 06:57:00 AM »

Sorry, but my english it's very poor.

Quizas los k/d no sean algo determinante en la MA, pero si que informan de otros detalles como que tipo de avión te mata más. En mi caso, después de 3 tours, siempre se repiten dos nombres: Spit IX y La 7. Estos 2 aviones se llevan el 25% de mis muertes(14+9 de 94 este tour), y sin embargo sólo representan un 5% de los aviones volables. Mirando tu k/d o los de otros ases observo q
estos aviones os matan muy pocas veces ¿qué coño haceís para libraros de ellos?. Mis tácticas contra los spits suelen consistir en atacarlos por sorpresa si puedo y sino pasar de ellos olimpicamente corriendo o manteniendome alto. Con los La 7 poco más o menos lo mismo, si veo uno mas alto que yo, rezo todo lo que puedo, porque a estós no los puedes dejar en un picado.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #101 on:** December 26, 2001, 08:00:00 AM »

Darkglam, mi problema con los spits y los La7 es que no puedo pasar de ellos, me hierve la sangre al verlos y no paro hasta matarlos o que me maten. El que encuentro mas problematico para derribar sin recibir algun magico ping (un ping = muerto) de sus hispanos es, curiosamente, el SpitV.
Si no me equivoco, lo que sueles volar es G10. Tengo algo de experiencia con el, y mi impresión es que tanto el 190A8 como el 190D9 se adaptan mejor contra el Spit que el 109. La dificultad en cazar un spit estriba en sus giros cerradisimos, giros que no podras seguir ni en 109 ni en 190. Pero lo que si podras hacer es "inteceptar" el giro y disparar alli por donde va cruzarse el maldito ufo. He comprobado que esto es muy dificil de hacer con el 109, pero con el 190, sin ser facil, es factible. Puedes levantar la cabeza lo justo como para tener una capacidad decente de snapshot a 250 yardas. Con los La7 pasa lo mismo, o se ponen a correr y te dejan tirado en la cuneta, o se ponen a girar (o trepar bruscamente). Si estas a la defensiva en un 109 contra un Spit, incluso un 109G6 los deja tirados en una trepada en espiral (cosa que no ocurre en una trepada en linea recta). Contra el La en defensiva la cosa es mucho mas complicada. En un 190 puedes vencerles (con mucha suerte) en unas tijeras, pero en un 109 puedes rezar y poco mas. Lo bueno es que al La le pasa como al 190, no "ve" mas lejos de 300 yardas a nada que se mueva.
Definitivamente, debieron pensar en una cubierta tipo burbuja para el 109.

lazs1 · « **Reply #102 on:** December 26, 2001, 08:22:00 AM »

mandoble I sorta agree.. K/T is the more important factor for me also. I need a plane that can get in there and mix it up otherwise I will be bored. Planes like the D9 and 51 bore me to death but... they are invincible if flown cautiously and... in a boring fashion... I am just saying that if you want to have what i consider fun then.. maybe you are not suited to the d9 or any of the LW rides for that matter.
lazs

Kieran · « **Reply #103 on:** December 26, 2001, 08:23:00 AM »

Man, seems like the problem to you is more one of guns than performance. The Spit IX isn't that good performance-wise, but the guns are excellent. You speak of magic "one-ping" guns, and that part is somewhat true.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #104 on:** December 26, 2001, 09:30:00 AM »

Lazs, I want to achieve both, eficiency and fun, both could be achieved with D9, but flying it as a dogfighter. Those thinking K/D is the more important factor, IMO, are radically wrong. This is just the main reason I think D9 is not a monster into THIS MA.

Kieran, performance and guns are boths critical factors and there is a very close relation between them. Having a death cone up to 800 yards is radically different than having one up to 300 yards. This is clearly noticeable in the case of P38 (not the best climber, not the best diver, not the best turner). P38 just need enough "performance" to put his nose at up to 1 km of the target.
With D9 you need enough "performance" to put your nose at up to 400 yards of the target. In the other hand, if you want to flee from a P38 you need enough "performance" to put your plane 1 km away of the P38. If you want to flee from a D9, more than 400 yards are enough. Now add guns lethality and snapshot capability to the equation.