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Offline MANDOBLE

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« Reply #165 on: June 05, 2002, 10:29:46 AM »
Czpetr, player XXX is a Zeke pilot because I saw him once in a Zeke, palyer YYY is a vulcher cause I saw him once vulching, player ZZZ is a buff adict cause I saw him once in a buff, player PPP only fights in vertical cause I saw him once climbing ...

Kieran, I have much more problems catching and killing P51s than Spits, and that plane also outturns and outguns any 190. I also see a lot of them lately, but this one has two real roles fighter/jabo, so I understand its hi usage level, IMO there is no reason to perk it.

In any case, if u think 109, 190 or P51 should be perked, you are totally free to express your oppinion here, and dont be affraid, you will not be massively insulted by me or any other famous LW-whinner for sure.

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« Reply #166 on: June 05, 2002, 10:50:11 AM »
Man-

You just don't get it. If you'd plainly state you want Spits perked only because you want to see other planes flown, fine. Others have said this, and though I don't agree with them nor do I think the facts back up those claims, I am not insulting them. I am not exactly attempting to insult you either, but originally (way, waaaaaay back when you started this campaign) attempted to reason with you. I have since moved to sarcasm, true enough.

You have shown an amazing invulnerability to logic, and seem to shore up your arguments with hyperbolic and inaccurate comments. Though proven wrong over and over, you persist in those lines of discussion. I perfectly understand the comments you've made so far. I perfectly understand where you are coming from. What you don't understand is my comment regarding your reasoning for perking anything.

It isn't about usage- if it was, you'd be after other aircraft that get used more.

It isn't about lethality- the planes you choose to fly have higher k/d.

It isn't about f/m- again, if there was an unfair f/m it would be reflected in the k/d and k/t, in which there does not appear to be a real discrepancy.

It's about you and what you are tired of seeing. It's about where you fly, for whom you fly, and when you fly. It is about the type of missions you want to fly. It is about what you choose to fly.

Now here is the supreme irony of your entire campaign- here you are, in the plane you choose to fly, trying to ensure others cannot fly the planes they want to fly so that you may better enjoy the one or two planes you choose to fly. In other words, it's ok for YOU to pick one plane and stick with it, but it is not ok for others to do the same. You don't want more variety, you want an environment that is conducive to the choice you made, simple as that.

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« Reply #167 on: June 05, 2002, 11:07:42 AM »
Top 10 Planes Killed by the Spit IX ...

P-51D........2354 (JABO/CAP)
N1K2.........2335 (CAP)
F6F-5........1787 (JABO/CAP)
La-7..........1548 (CAP)
P-38L.........519 (JABO/CAP)
F4U-1D......1500 (JABO/CAP)
Spitfire V...1445 (CAP)
A6M5b.......1249 (CAP - Sea Attack)
SeaFire......1192 (CAP - Sea Attack)
C-47A.........1117 (Nice Try !!)

Top 10 planes that killed the Spit IX ...

N1K2...........2607 (same as above - killed more than died))
P-51D..........2127 (same as above)
La-7............1848 (same as above - killed more than died)
Spitfire V.....1508 (same as above - killed more than died)
F6F-5..........1478 (same as above)
P-38L..........1178 (same as above - killed more than died)
F4U-1D........1157 (same as above)
Typhoon IB..1156 (not in above list - interesting !!!)
A6M5b.........1120 (same as above)
SeaFire........1089 (same as above)

Death position on the SPit IX list ...

190G-10 - 12th
190D-9 - 13th
109A-5 - 17th
190A-8 - 18th
109G-6 - 31st
109F-4 - 34th
109G-2 - 36th
109E-4 - 57th

From these stats (thanks DejaVu) it appears that the Spit is busy killing the other "uber" planes, other Spits, along with JABO planes that are attacking a field. The P38 really put it to the Spit IX ... so if the Spit IX is so "uber/UFO" then what is the P38 ?

The deaths of the 109s and the 190s from what I see are usually when they decide to drop into the fray and think that they can play in the low and slow - turn and burn arena.

The proliferation of Spits in the sky, from my observations, are around their own fields, and in a defensive position, and I think that these stats back it up.

The 109s and 190s are true "Vulchers". They sit high up in the tree waitiing for the true killers to bring the prey to its knees before it decides to drop down, get some meat, and return to it's high roost, looking for another opportunity.

It sounds like MANDOBLE and company want to de-fang the true killers so that they can play in the real game without getting bit too badly.
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« Reply #168 on: June 05, 2002, 11:18:08 AM »
"It's about you and what you are tired of seeing. It's about where you fly, for whom you fly, and when you fly. It is about the type of missions you want to fly. It is about what you choose to fly.

Now here is the supreme irony of your entire campaign- here you are, in the plane you choose to fly, trying to ensure others cannot fly the planes they want to fly so that you may better enjoy the one or two planes you choose to fly. In other words, it's ok for YOU to pick one plane and stick with it, but it is not ok for others to do the same. You don't want more variety, you want an environment that is conducive to the choice you made, simple as that."


I can't see it getting any simpler or clearer than that !!!
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« Reply #169 on: June 05, 2002, 11:29:03 AM »
Just an observation.....

I think some of you are revealing far to much of yourselves and if your not careful, could be in danger of forever forging in the minds of us all just how silly you really are. It's a game guys.

Just calm down and play....that's what this is all about anyway isn't it? Having some fun with our free time?

This display really doesn't send any good message to new players other than yikes.....I better keep my mouth shut or these guys are nuts. Step back, take a breath and love you neighbor:)

I personally blame Mathman for instigating this insanity...you sir, are a bad man:)

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« Reply #170 on: June 05, 2002, 11:29:23 AM »
geesh what a community

mandoble and tumor and urchin are handsomehunk whiners because they dont share the opinion of the never ending insult throwing  fan bois.

A thread got locked last week because of the word "fluffer".

But the "ra-ra" crew toejame dont stink.

So what if you dont agree with mandoble or tumor or anyone else. the first 300 times you've called umm whiners, liars or distorter of the facts werent enough to shut him um up make sure you you repeat yourself in every post they make.

Mathman asked a question (which was more of a troll whether he meant it to be or not) and when i read it I already knew how the thread would end up. 2 or 3 guys gettin insulted by the "clique".

I guess they turned the keys over to the bbs "goon squad".

What a fediddlein joke.

as for spits being 19% that basically 2 planes not the whole spit or raf planeset but you knew that and still combined every lw fighter to get your 14%. Pure distortion of the facts.


I dont care what ya fly but theres a precedent that was set the 1st day ht introduced a perk system. Whether you like it or not its here. Its not absurd to have an opinion about expanding the perk set.

Karnak you have history of "hissy fits" and distortions. I am not gonna dig up your "whines" others can do that.

Mandoble believes that perking the spit ix would be good for game play. Well I dont.

See I was able to dissagree without all the other bs.

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« Reply #171 on: June 05, 2002, 11:41:07 AM »
19.35%= 3 versions of the Spit Wotan. Seafire, SpitV and SpitIX.
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« Reply #172 on: June 05, 2002, 11:56:09 AM »
Yup, I went too far, sorry.

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« Reply #173 on: June 05, 2002, 12:05:34 PM »
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geesh what a community

mandoble and tumor and urchin are handsomehunk whiners because they dont share the opinion of the never ending insult throwing  fan bois.
No... they are handsomehunkes because they choose to insult, criticize, blame and do other completely handsomehunk things on a regular basis.
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A thread got locked last week because of the word "fluffer".
Umm... that's a pretty narrow view of that... maybe you are oversimplifying to prove a point?  I believe that thread made it over a hundred posts... most of them involving people throwing insults back and forth.
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But the "ra-ra" crew toejame dont stink.
Ra-ra?  Don't know where you get that.  "Sick and tired of all the fricking pissing and moaning" crew would be more fitting.  "Tired of people whining about what everyone else is doing" crowd would fit too.
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So what if you dont agree with mandoble or tumor or anyone else. the first 300 times you've called umm whiners, liars or distorter of the facts werent enough to shut him um up make sure you you repeat yourself in every post they make.
Thankyou... I will.  Of course, very few people just post "mandoble is a whiner" in a subject line right out of the blue... its usually a RESPONSE to something else.  Its the difference between being an instigator and just being tired of instigators.
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Mathman asked a question (which was more of a troll whether he meant it to be or not) and when i read it I already knew how the thread would end up. 2 or 3 guys gettin insulted by the "clique".
:rolleyes: Its not like they start off by insulting anyone.  Nah.. its a one way streak.  At least the "clique" focusses on the individuals being the tulips as opposed to generically citing everyone that flies a certain plane.
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I guess they turned the keys over to the bbs "goon squad".
Or its been driven to it.
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What a fediddlein joke.

as for spits being 19% that basically 2 planes not the whole spit or raf planeset but you knew that and still combined every lw fighter to get your 14%. Pure distortion of the facts.
Actually... it is the whole spit contingent (5 planes... Spit I, V, IX, XIV and Seafire)  No two spits add up to 19%.
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I dont care what ya fly but theres a precedent that was set the 1st day ht introduced a perk system. Whether you like it or not its here. Its not absurd to have an opinion about expanding the perk set.
And its not obsurd to believe that some people's opinions on expanding the perk set could be considered obsurd by most.
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Karnak you have history of "hissy fits" and distortions. I am not gonna dig up your "whines" others can do that.

Mandoble believes that perking the spit ix would be good for game play. Well I dont.
Its why mandoble believes it would be good for gameplay that is rediculous.  Sorry to say that once again... but, once again, its a response.
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See I was able to dissagree without all the other bs.
Ummm... you may want to reread your post... particularly "geesh what a community" and "never ending insult throwing  fan bois" and "But the "ra-ra" crew toejame dont stink" and "2 or 3 guys gettin insulted by the "clique"" and "Karnak you have history of "hissy fits" and distortions".  But other than that.. you managed to disagree without the other "bs".

:rolleyes:

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« Reply #174 on: June 05, 2002, 12:10:16 PM »
BTW Kieran... nice post.

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« Reply #175 on: June 05, 2002, 12:10:55 PM »
Serious Question #2

Why would anyone continually torture themselves playing a game that wasn't fun for them or made them unhappy because it wasn't being played the way they thought it should be played?
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« Reply #176 on: June 05, 2002, 12:12:30 PM »
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Serious Question #2

Why would anyone continually torture themselves playing a game that wasn't fun for them or made them unhappy because it wasn't being played the way they thought it should be played?


Answer: Machismo--Ego.

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« Reply #177 on: June 05, 2002, 12:22:31 PM »
Mandoble believes that perking the spit ix would be good for game play. Well I dont.

Wotan, your reply is too civilized to be accepted in this BBS ;)

It's about you and what you are tired of seeing

Kieran, at least you understood!! Congrats! When some one ask to extend the night period, it is about him and his likes, when some one ask to increase the perk cost of 262, it is about him ans his likes, when some one ask for a P40, it is about him and his likes, when some one ask to increase the air-condittioner it is about him and his likes. Wellcome to the human thinking way.

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« Reply #178 on: June 05, 2002, 12:23:21 PM »
Yeah, but Rude has a point.

We aren't doing the sim any good with this. Man has his point of view, and it isn't going to change no matter what. I certainly haven't seen anything yet to give me cause to change mine. Arguing back and forth is therefore only perpetuating acrimony.

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« Reply #179 on: June 05, 2002, 12:26:39 PM »
Only number that would matter in this "discussion"  would be sorties.  All we have numbers for are kills, and that is not the same thing - not nearly (for obvious reasons once you give it some thought).  


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My mistake.. I added the 110G-2 in there with 2.01%

Doesn't really matter though.  19 kills vs 13 kills still...

Its not a drastically different picture.  Then again... for every 100 planes someone sees, 81 will not be a spit... and 87 will not be LW.

Its amazing how someone can turn 20% into "all I ever see..." and 13% into "I never see..."

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