Author Topic: Pongo - Equalized Numbers Discussion (Read 1944 times)

AKIron · « **Reply #75 on:** June 10, 2002, 07:45:14 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
AKAK posted: My first clue that our mr. ripley is one to open his mouth without engaging his brain is when he persisted in arguing about Windows XP and the alt-tab psychedelic experience. As anyone with an Nvidia board and XP can tell ya, it's not the sync rate, it's the palletized textures that cause this.

To prove his ignorance I'll bet he'll continue with this argument even now. My question still stands mr. sid or ripley or whatever the hell you go by, do you have Windows XP even yet?

Now, AKAK, you must have missed all the grateful players who downloaded the patch from the locations I provided them. I helped people to fix the problem during a time when hardly nobody knew of a fix. Thanks a lot for trying to (again, wrongfully) supply people with completely wrong facts.

The fact remains that if you won't run the refresh rate fix your games will most likely run at 60hz. This was the primary reason for the corruption.

Disabling palettized textures must change the way AH handles textures in a way that circumvents the problem.. That however does not mean the refresh rate / color depth problem has disappeared.

I'm happy AKAK if you really ignored all this and currently play your games at 60hz refresh rate, because you really deserve the headaches.

Wrong on two counts Ripley. First of all AKIron <> AKAK. AKAK is not an Arabian Knight.

Secondly, I've run AH at many different resolutions and refresh rates including 60 Hz. I can cause the problem at will by simply turning on the palletized textures. I've had no problems running at 60 Hz. My problem with you wasn't that you were wrong but that you indignantly insisted you were right.

The fact that you still didn't answer my question about whether you had or even have Windows XP leads me to the conclusion that you didn't and still don't. I didn't persue this very far several months ago but your recent posts here and in other threads compelled me to expose you for one that forms opinions and speaks as with knowledge when in fact you have little or none.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #76 on:** June 10, 2002, 08:08:17 AM »

No I don't have windows XP installed if that's what you mean..

However I have received the information through multiple web sites which have found a similar problem on many other games, not just aces high.

I was sceptical about your fix since it doesn't fix the problem in my W2k box.

My only experience of XP professional is from MS certified IT education center where I took an XP pro / MS advanced server course last year.

I've had no problems running at 60 Hz.

Can't you see the flickering? Any refresh rate below 72hz is ergonomically not viable. It will cause eye strain and headaches.. For your own good (and even though you're attacking me on this thread) change the refresh rate to higher in the game.

Tumor · « **Reply #77 on:** June 10, 2002, 08:14:48 AM »

Just in case, figured I'd at least show whats happening. Not necessarily in YOUR time zone, I'll label each. Remember...this is "roughly" prime time for our Euro and ...err, I think the Easten boys too. Now, before any of you whiner attack dogs fire off... this is simply fact. I'll post one every day if you want, but this is whats been happening for quite awhile. My own view is... well, I would like to fly AH under better conditions in the morning usually however, I just log off. Were I limited to these times completely (my wierd work schedule allows my a variety of times) I would probably cancel my account after a month or two. I can't see the benefit, however I can see it detracting from the game IN THAT it is an all too regular occurance over the last few weeks or months. Here's Sunday early on. Weekends aren't all that bad.

Tumor · « **Reply #78 on:** June 10, 2002, 08:15:40 AM »

Here we have Sunday Morn, a little later... bout 10ish I believe.

Tumor · « **Reply #79 on:** June 10, 2002, 08:16:35 AM »

Now here's Monday at 9am US Eastern. THIS is where it starts getting old.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #80 on:** June 10, 2002, 08:26:04 AM »

I know what you mean Tumor..

AKIron · « **Reply #81 on:** June 10, 2002, 08:43:03 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Can't you see the flickering? Any refresh rate below 72hz is ergonomically not viable. It will cause eye strain and headaches.. For your own good (and even though you're attacking me on this thread) change the refresh rate to higher in the game.

Your concern for my eyesight is heartening (pardon my skepticism). My monitor only supports 60 Hz at 1600x1200 and no, I don't find there to be any distracting flicker. The 60 Hz flicker is usually only a problem when there are fluorescent lights overhead which I don't have in my home. FWIW, I usually run 1280x1024 at 75 Hz.

Apparently you're also in the IT industry. I've been to many Microsoft (and other) classes and have the certifications. However, that doesn't make me an expert at anything. Experience is the only thing I've come to trust and I try to base any advice I offer on that. You'd do well to do the same.

Consider my "attack" finished.

AKIron (not AKAK)

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #82 on:** June 10, 2002, 08:48:13 AM »

Akiron fair enough. Could you tell me which is the exact method that cures the problem of corrup graphics via disabling the palettized textures? I'm pretty dark on that. All I know that the refresh fix fixes both refresh rates and this problem.

My little 'crusade' has got quickly browsing at least 6 responses of players whose problem was solved by the little utility I supplied them. I even hosted the webspace required.

If I can help someone with his problem, I don't stay to bicker with the cause. Main thing is to get things working.

Edit: Still on that 1600x1200x60hz.. Ouch! I'd go nuts after watching that for 10 minutes.. After all the hours behind the screen I've become very sensitive to low refresh rates. I'm lucky my screen supports 75hz at 1.6kx1.2k.

AKIron · « **Reply #83 on:** June 10, 2002, 09:05:38 AM »

Sure, several others and I tried different resolutions and matching the desktop resolution and refresh rate with that of Aces High using different methods. No help, still got the psychedelic colors.

Check the disable palletized textures in the Aces High Video setup box and no more problem. Since I'm not clear on what exactly palletized textures are in this case I can't even speculate on why they cause this problem for many with Windows XP and Aces High.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #84 on:** June 10, 2002, 09:18:35 AM »

Akiron it won't work to try to match the resolutions manually, W2k and XP handle color modes and refresh rates individually and there's no built in tool to set the refresh resolutions manually. In 95,98 and ME the graphics were handled in a much simplier manner.

That is why the refresh rate fix was needed to force the refreshes to something else than the default. Other option would have been to manually reconfigure the detonator drivers .ini file.

bockko
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[I know -- this isn't my post ] I think I got the nvidia bug info and link from one of your posts mrsid! thanks and keep the good info flowing!

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Thanks guys.
So far it works slicker than owl toejam.
Thanks for the tip about refresh rates, was wondering about that...

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Worked like a charm...thanks a lot :-)

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arat
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alt tab blues
I had the alt tab prob on new pc, thought it was me! Got the program from the link to Nvidia, problem gone!

Thx guys

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If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe these users that had help from it. It is however possible that the fix won't work just like that in XP since I haven't had the chance to test it first hand. If the palettized textures fix the prob in xp, thanks for the info - I'll add it to my knowledge database.

AKIron · « **Reply #85 on:** June 10, 2002, 09:35:36 AM »

I tried a couple of different programs that set the refresh rate for directx. It would seem reasonable to assume that if something worked in W2K it should work in WinXP. Just doesn't seem to be the case this time.

Tumor · « **Reply #86 on:** June 10, 2002, 12:04:53 PM »

1:30 U.S. EST

AKIron · « **Reply #87 on:** June 10, 2002, 12:27:50 PM »

Numbers can fluctuate rapidly, especially when a new version is believed to be imminent. Just took this at 12:27 CST today

Toad · « **Reply #88 on:** June 10, 2002, 01:40:35 PM »

Ah, yet again the ever-changing nature of a persistent, 24/7, unlimited log on/log off arena is revealed. To those who will open their eyes.

The only constant is change.

Pongo · « **Reply #89 on:** June 10, 2002, 01:52:18 PM »

The only constant is the BISH OPPRESION!
DOWN WITH BISH!
DOWN WITH BISH!

No I didnt read any of this noncence...
But my name is on the thread so I have to participate dont I?