Author Topic: Number 1 Fighter Rank (Read 912 times)

UnDeth · « **on:** July 13, 2002, 01:52:06 AM »

I was just browsing the stats and ranks of some of the best fighter pilot stats out of boredom. I realize the ranking system is imperfect and I really don't put a lot of merit in it. When I up, I look for even fights (number wise) and just try to have fun.

Anyway, one thing I noticed was hermit, who's ranked number 1 in fighters. Looking at detailed stats I see he has 160 kills in the KI-61 and 6 deaths in the KI-61. I've flown the KI-61 once and rarely see it in the MA. From my limited experience and looking at it's stats, with a top speed of 315 on the deck and a climb rate of about 3k/min, I'm wondering how anyone could make anymore than a few kills in this bird. Mostly I'm wondering if I'm overlooking something critical regarding this plane. When I see KI-61's I am usually not too worried, and I don't believe one has ever shot me down (this could be because it's rarely flown).

Comments from Hermit would be great but if anyone else can comment that would be good too

UnDeth

XNachoX · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2002, 01:58:24 AM »

I would like to know as well. Mitsu?

Wotan · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:06:30 AM »

Mitsu sucks Hermit could take him

Karnak · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:07:09 AM »

Ki-61 is manuverable and has a good gun package.

Add a bit of dash and skill and it can do wonders.

UnDeth · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:25:47 AM »

Thanks for the response Karnak.

Looking at the gun package, it's the same as a Spit IX. A good gun package but nothing spectacular. Am I wrong in assuming the KI-61 can not out turn a Zero? I'd also think a Spite V or IX could give the KI-61 a good turn fight. The Spit IX still outclimbs it by a large margin and has a slightly higher top speed. Taking the fight higher, the Spit IX gains a steady speed advantage.

I went back a few months looking at Hermits scoring and it's damn impressive.

Hermit

I've been flying Aces for about 3 months now and I have yet to have the honor or bumping into Hermit (that I recall). I guess if I see a KI-61 diving from above I better take it seriously...

EvilDingo · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:35:03 AM »

The Ki-61 dives extremely well. I think of it as an F6F sorta. The only major things that keep me out of it are it's poor climb and maximum level speed.

tshred · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2002, 02:35:35 AM »

Easy, just don't get yourself into bad situations, pick your fights carefully and bug out at the slightest sign of trouble. Doubt you will find him furballing much, at least without superior numbers and wingmen.

ts

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2002, 03:14:51 AM »

Sancho has 65 Kills for 2 deaths in a D30 ...

Go chocho!

you know this thing slightly faster than a KI61, who climbs less and turns ...hummm ... what turn? heu ... like a 15,000lb turn?

Me, don't look at my stats, I'm the first moron to go head down in a furball ... but I swear, I try to improve. The current score system is far from a reflexion of who are the best sticks as most will don't matter fighting "impossible fights" like a P47 Vs 2 spits and a LA7 on the deck... or many other "oh my god i can't run and I can't turn either".[/B]

Since this new map, I found more 1 vs 1 so I usually have a chance to land:D

Knox · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2002, 04:13:27 AM »

im just wondering.....what makes u guys think the score system may be incorrect on showing whos the best of the best???? really curious....

akak · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2002, 04:37:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Knox
im just wondering.....what makes u guys think the score system may be incorrect on showing whos the best of the best???? really curious....

It's like how it was in AW, all the score does is pretty much reflect how little of a life you really have.

In AW you had guys that had millions of points but you get them 1v1 and a blind-folded newbie could kick their arses in one pass. Same thing with ranking system in AH. There are pilots with really low ranks that are just as good, if not better, than most of the pilots ranked in the top #25. In AW, score meant you had no life and in AH, rank just means you need a shower because you smell really bad.

Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders

Lizard3 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2002, 05:37:11 AM »

The correct answer to your inquiry UnD is, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the plane, its the pilot. Most esp. in this case.

Mitsu · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2002, 05:43:22 AM »

I just flying over vulch field.

SOUP · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2002, 10:21:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Knox
im just wondering.....what makes u guys think the score system may be incorrect on showing whos the best of the best???? really curious....

Knox,
Couple of issues.... first the math on the score system as shown in either the scores or the expanded stats doesn't jive. You can't get agreement inside of one of the forms much less between the two. One can read all the mumbo jumbo that HTC puts out about how scores are calculated, but when you go to the hard figures, they just don't work.

There are two schools of thought on what is the "best". There is the, "who dies the least school" and the "stick and rudder school". Both take a type of talent to be successful.

The amount of SA and tactical awareness required to live long and prosper is one type. The other is the ability to judge angles, control input, gunnery etc. It takes a mixture of both types to be successful in either the "who dies the least" and "stick and rudder".

Proponents of either type often ridicule the pilots of the opposite school. (sign of a small mind?)

Personally I think the "who dies the least school" is more historically accurate. Many of the great stick and rudder guys did not survive the war. (Voss in WWI for example)

However, in a duel sense, where winner is determined by who is left standing, the best stick and rudder guy rules. (as long as it is 1 v 1 etc)

It is interesting to note, that in AW, during warnite (die twice and you are finished for the night) suddenly everyone was a "who dies the least" guy. The numbers of Spitfires and Zekes etc dropped to a handful and you had P51s and FWs galore. The reason for this was "success" was not defined in winning a specific 1 v 1 fight, success was defined by attrition. So the faster, less agile planes, and the "who dies the least" spelled success.

However, in the 4 V 4 tournaments, all of a sudden you saw mostly turners (Spits, 109s, F6Fs, KIs) because success was defined as who was the last man standing and you had to stay "in" the fight.

As for actually ranking or points etc.. that was usually decided in AW and I believe in AH as well, by who can pack in the most flying time. Points in AW was certainly the case.

Grimm · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2002, 11:07:27 AM »

Some Good thoughts here gentlemen....

It would be interesting to see a comparison of say the top ten in Rank... and the number of hours flown.

Reguardless, Its still pretty fun for a guy to shoot to be number 1 Rank if thats his goal. Anyone with numbers like Hermits in Ki-61 are pretty impressive and do deserve a salute, regardless of how he managed it.

Score and Rank really dont mean much to me. I like to live and land them, thats what I enjoy. If someone get in front of me, and he is high ranked, Im going to kill him just the same

Now you want a real challange, I want to see the Guy with a 3:1 K/D in a Goonie

Blank · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2002, 11:55:54 AM »

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The correct answer to your inquiry UnD is, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the plane, its the pilot. Most esp. in this case.

I'd like to add to this, you have a good pilot in a plane that you dont worry about much, your press the fight harder going for the 'presumed easier kill' loose your advantage and die.

example: other night engaged by a c.202 over field ,how I laughed at his gun package of 2 BB guns, until I died... 'fluke I said', re-upped and.... Died. ermm should of checked his rank the first time LOL