why no wirblewind ??

[Innominate]

Originally posted by AKWabbit

I'd prefer to add the Wirbelwind and then perk the osti.

The ostwind is actually a mediocre AA platform.  The m16 is more effective for hitting targets not headed directly at you.  It's ALL about the ROF.  A high rof gun will kill better than a low.  The fact that the ostwind only needs one hit, isn't that important, since landing that hit is difficult if the target isnt trying to strafe you.  The ostwind is better than the m16 simply because of it's invulnerability to gunfire from the air.

[Samm]

Originally posted by LoGo
I think the main prob with GV's is each hit ( from MG's even ) is classed as a penetration

So you're saying that even the rounds that we see richochette off of the panzer hull are doing damage ?
If so how do you know this ?

[LoGo]

could be a complex mathematical equation for all I know

*cough*

[Samm]

Any round that doesn't penetrate does NOT do damage to a GV . You can test this with killshooter . And I've seen m8 37mm ap bounce off the front of panzers as well as 75mm smoke . So you can imagine how ineffectual mg fire is on the front and sides .

[LoGo]

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding *insert doppler shift throuhgout* "there goes the logic train" Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding

like trying to piss backwards....

1. machine gun fire against panzer IS effective (ie. can take out panzer with enough rounds)
2. my point is GV armour is inconsistent

[LoGo]

*yawn* im tired...

fellas feel free to continue this without me, no really, feel free..
ill catch up later

[Samm]

Now departing Mandoland

Originally posted by LoGo
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding *insert doppler shift throuhgout* "there goes the logic train" Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding

like trying to piss backwards....

1. machine gun fire against panzer IS effective (ie. can take out panzer with enough rounds)

Nobody said it wasn't, just have to hit them where the armor is thin . If you are shooting mg fire at the front of a panzer it IS ineffective.

2. my point is GV armour is inconsistent
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How ? MG projectiles penetrate where there is no armor or armor is thin, they don't penetrate where armor is thick . If you mean inconsistant as in not the same thickness all over you're right .

[Samm]

Didn't the wirblewind have mg151s ? If so it would only be able to hit planes that that were 800m or closer .

[teufl]

i think we are missing the point of the ostwind.  It should not be in anyway be able to stand off a pnzer IV at any range.....the turret armor on the osti was around 1/2 inch..  A .5 cal should be able to peirce that with ease.  So if the osti model was accurate, then a straffing run by all planes should kill it with in first pass.. As it stands now, i believe the osti should be perked, around 5 should be suffecient.  If the wiblewind is introduced I think it would be a welcome addition to the AH ranks.

[brady]

You all know how easy it is to rip a panzer to shreads with a M16 right? Imagine how easy it would be to kill a panzer with a quartet of much more efective 2cm Vierling cannons, the Wilber wind turet had  16mm turet armor angled at from 25 degreas to 36 degreas.

 The Osty Turet had 25mm of armor angled at a similar degree. Now If I am doning my Grade school math Corectly that's abot an inch thick.

 I have spent a considerable amount of time in an osty and I have spent a considerable amout of time killing them. MY impreshion is that if alone Get a bomb and come in from on high and drop it on them, this almost always works since the higher the angle of aproach the harder it is for the osty gunner to hit you.

 I think that for the most part the Grass is always greaner, I got my osty gun knocked out three times yester day by low angle fighter's armed with 50 cal mg's in one pass! This is not a freak thing it hapes at least half the time to me i get strafed.

  If we  pause for a moment and think of the impact that limiting the Osty will have on ground warfare in AH, even a low perk value can drasticaly impact unit usage. That is the point we should be considering folks what if their were no ostys, or far fewer of them....

 And judging by thier usage leval they seam to be very popular.