Author Topic: Warbirds price dropping to $19.95 (Read 1300 times)

OSSI · « **Reply #60 on:** August 12, 2002, 11:07:10 AM »

I think IL-2 have now the most realistic FM from all Flightsims. Also to play offline and online is more realistic and historic like WB or AH. Before i got IL-2 i fly sometime AH and WB and it is just fun. There got his one Flair of course. If you like it very realistic and historic then IL-2 is the game for that right now offline and online. AH or WB is just for Player there like only Fun , with Icons and automatic Trimmung etc. . AH is AH and IL-2 is IL-2 ; i cant hear that. This are both Flightsims. IL-2 can play also offline.
Also IL-2 is just a Box-Sim

, i can burn AH on a CD and put it in a Box so..... This 2 Games in competition and all Players play his Favorit or both. Also AH-Funplayers can have Fun in IL-2 there is a Option for Icons on or Stalls out etc.....

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #61 on:** August 12, 2002, 11:14:35 AM »

Stalls are modelled in AH.

Il2 can support max of 32 players. It gets pretty rough above 6 players on a 56K.

I can play on AH with 400 players on a 56K.

If Il2 had AH's graphics, not nearly as many people would be singing it's praise... which means you strip off all that pretty eye candy and there ain't gonna be much of a difference between AH and Il2.

and if you think playing with no icons is the definition of "realistic" or "historic" then you must not be a real pilot.
-SW

OSSI · « **Reply #62 on:** August 12, 2002, 11:38:56 AM »

Hi AKSWulfe, i know you are a AH Cheerleader;) but if AH the graphics than this too late, becourse there are coming up a new one from Maddox i think. In AH i see no more than 32 players in my Area, hmm pehrhaps i fly on a wrong direction:) This is not a Argument to have 400 Players you never see them right.

playing with no icons is the definition of "realistic" or "historic"
No this is not a definition, but is a differentiated to AH or WB;)

You think that the fantastic graphics from IL-2 is only the difference to AH? No is not there are a lot more. There are many more Players play IL-2 than AH.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #63 on:** August 12, 2002, 11:47:14 AM »

Actually I'm not an AH cheerleader, I'm just not dilluted enough to see these "great" differences between AH and Il2.

playing with no icons is the definition of "realistic" or "historic"

Actually, it's your definition. To me, when I'm playing a game on a 15", 17" or 19" monitor on a very scaled down version of the real world with a complete lack of peripheral vision and depth perception, then icons are necessary to simulate what a real world pilot sees. Making it unnecessarily difficult to acquire visuals on something that can be seen much easer in the real world is the defintion of "difficult" not "historic" or "realistic".

Funny thing though, I recieve update positions on those 400 other players. There's a real war going on all over the map, if I want to, I can fly there and fight.

In Il2, I'm limited to a very small area with a limited number of players and a limited number of targets. It's not quite the same thing, if you see what I mean.

You think that the fantastic graphics from IL-2 is only the difference to AH? No is not there are a lot more. There are many more Players play IL-2 than AH.

Without those graphics, no one would be as intrigued in it as they are right now. Simple truth.

You only know that more people bought the game than people play online AH at any one time. Other than that, you are only assuming more people play Il2 than AH. I never see more than 300 people on hyperlobby, and that's fairly rare. I usually see no more than 100 people.
-SW

OSSI · « **Reply #64 on:** August 12, 2002, 12:00:22 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Actually I'm not an AH cheerleader, I'm just not dilluted enough to see these "great" differences between AH and Il2.

playing with no icons is the definition of "realistic" or "historic"

Actually, it's your definition. To me, when I'm playing a game on a 15", 17" or 19" monitor on a very scaled down version of the real world with a complete lack of peripheral vision and depth perception, then icons are necessary to simulate what a real world pilot sees. Making it unnecessarily difficult to acquire visuals on something that can be seen much easer in the real world is the defintion of "difficult" not "historic" or "realistic".

Funny thing though, I recieve update positions on those 400 other players. There's a real war going on all over the map, if I want to, I can fly there and fight.

In Il2, I'm limited to a very small area with a limited number of players and a limited number of targets. It's not quite the same thing, if you see what I mean.

You think that the fantastic graphics from IL-2 is only the difference to AH? No is not there are a lot more. There are many more Players play IL-2 than AH.

Without those graphics, no one would be as intrigued in it as they are right now. Simple truth.

You only know that more people bought the game than people play online AH at any one time. Other than that, you are only assuming more people play Il2 than AH. I never see more than 300 people on hyperlobby, and that's fairly rare. I usually see no more than 100 people.
-SW

You talk a bit confused now. Have Fun with AH.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #65 on:** August 12, 2002, 12:08:34 PM »

OSSI: "You talk a bit confused now. Have Fun with AH."

"The judges have cast their votes, AKSeawulfe wins the debate..."

Ossi, what he was saying about numbers is this: We have 300+ online each night of the week, and sometimes 450+ on friday and sat night. This is NOT a boxed game. IL2 is. It never has more the 300 online, and that is rare (of course, all in 32 player limit arenas)

We have several choices of battle fronts to go to within the same arena...there are quite a bit of advantages of AH over IL2, and there are quite a bit of advantages that IL2 has over AH. Defending one sim against another is quite useless...like Toad says...Fly what you like, like what you fly, and don't worry about what the other guy is flying.

OSSI · « **Reply #66 on:** August 12, 2002, 12:27:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
OSSI: "You talk a bit confused now. Have Fun with AH."

"The judges have cast their votes, AKSeawulfe wins the debate..."

Ossi, what he was saying about numbers is this: We have 300+ online each night of the week, and sometimes 450+ on friday and sat night. This is NOT a boxed game. IL2 is. It never has more the 300 online, and that is rare (of course, all in 32 player limit arenas)

We have several choices of battle fronts to go to within the same arena...there are quite a bit of advantages of AH over IL2, and there are quite a bit of advantages that IL2 has over AH. Defending one sim against another is quite useless...like Toad says...Fly what you like, like what you fly, and don't worry about what the other guy is flying.

Yes Ripsnort thats right, but in AH is also a Limit, you cant see all 400 just only on the Map not in the Air right?
In IL-2, Hyperlobby and UBI-Lobby also all Day over 500 Players.
For me is IL-2 better online more historic ect. you know. One Point got AH there is a dynamic War on Ground, but i see this too in IL-2 in the Future

So to capture Airfield is the only Point to AH JUST FOR ME!;)

miko2d · « **Reply #67 on:** August 12, 2002, 12:34:05 PM »

What's that "icon/no-ican" crap? I own a copy of Il2 and the icons there have much more information than AH icons. Also, thare is a full-blown auto-pilot there, not just auto-trim.

Of course all those options can be disabled - in both sims.

miko

OSSI · « **Reply #68 on:** August 12, 2002, 12:46:45 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
What's that "icon/no-ican" crap? I own a copy of Il2 and the icons there have much more information than AH icons. Also, thare is a full-blown auto-pilot there, not just auto-trim.

Of course all those options can be disabled - in both sims.

miko

In AH just the Player, but in IL-2 all must have the same Settings.

Autopilot online? NO!

I can make a coop-mission online with 16 Players and 50 AI Bomber or more, cool? The AI Pilots better that some Players in AH

Ripsnort · « **Reply #69 on:** August 12, 2002, 12:55:21 PM »

No autopilot online? I'll never be in IL2 then, how else am I suppose to climb out and take a leak, get a beer?

OSSI · « **Reply #70 on:** August 12, 2002, 01:02:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
No autopilot online? I'll never be in IL2 then, how else am I suppose to climb out and take a leak, get a beer?

miko2d · « **Reply #71 on:** August 12, 2002, 01:23:40 PM »

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Originally posted by OSSI
In AH just the Player, but in IL-2 all must have the same Settings.

Not correct - an administrator determines the settings in the arena - including availability of icons, distances at which they appear, how high above ground, ground vehicle icon/dot visibility, sector counters, inflight radar, etc.
A player can disable icons on his PC if arena allows icons, but he can not enable them if arena settings do not permit icons.

So apparently it's a choice of majority of players and/or decision by the HTC that in the Main Arena the icon settings are what we have. In private arenas, scenarios, etc. icon settings are different.
The same is true in Warbirds.

miko