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Offline Gadfly

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« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2002, 08:43:11 AM »
The mother should also go to prison for 10 years.

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« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2002, 09:06:29 AM »
Guys... you're basing your assessment of the court's decision based solely on what the mother is telling you about her child.

Maybe if the paper would have bothered getting some facts instead of motherese heresay things would be a bit more clear.

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« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2002, 09:13:52 AM »
That's a good point...my opinion was based soley on the content of that article.


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« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2002, 09:23:15 AM »
That is all we have to go on DJ.

Is that so different than assuming the mother is not telling the truth?

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« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2002, 10:53:15 AM »
No, MT, but logic would suggest that, since two of his prior felonies occured while he was already in  custody, we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg with this kid. I wonder how many burgulries, shopliftings, petty crimes ond other crap this kid has pulled? It would be intresting to hear what this kid's neighbors have to say about him.

Sorry, all, but I have zero tolorance for this kind of loser. He's chosen to follow a path that eventually will lead to some innocent victim getting injured or killed and if a judge gives him a too-harsh sentance then that's just tough- he should have stopped his criminal activities after his second felony- or his third- sheeesh, he obviously wasn't learning with the customary slap on the wrist the juvenile justice system hands out.

Youth is no excuse when it comes to felons. I heard about a case here in Sacramento where a 12 year old boy was arrested for raping a nine year old girl. Who wants to tell this girl's father that the rapist should get a lighter sentance because he's only 12?

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« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2002, 10:56:26 AM »
It's not his age, it's his mental state.. or lack thereof.

I don't think he should go to jail, I think he should go to the nuthouse and not be able to leave for atleast 4 years.
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« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2002, 11:19:32 AM »
I'm with Lazs and Elf on this one... the boy needs to be gone. Put him into whatever type enclosure you see fit, but his record says everything I need to know. This is a career criminal in the making, and the best we can do is to provide interruptions to that career. And to be blunt, we shouldn't have to wait until he kills someone after they surprise him in the process of breaking into a home.

My neighbors I talked about? Anyone in the neighborhood that was outdoors was catcalled, hooted, or had objects thrown at them. Everyone just went indoors and stayed there. This made me ill, and I decided I wouldn't, and if it was to be a confrontation, so be it.

I got out of my car one day after work, turned to pick up some trash laying in my yard, and a potato came hurling out the front door of my neighbors house, narrowly missing me.

That was it.

I have always had a trigger- I'm not a violent person by nature- but I have a very strong fight-or-flight instinct, and I gave up running a long time ago. I picked up the potato, walked over to their front door, knocked, one of the two fools at home opened the door and I handed him the potato.

"If you do that again I will have the law in."

"F*** you! mgpsn sapdjf  asdfj asdf..."

(Funny thing about one of those kids, he couldn't speak clearly unless he was cursing, and then he had perfect enunciation.)

Fine. I walked across the street, but as I entered my property, the other fellow comes out the door and starts the gangsta crap on me, getting his back up, threatening me, etc.

"Show me your driver's licence." says I.

"Why?" he asks.

"Simple. If you're 18 I'm going to make your dream come true."

He yelled some more (didn't produce his license, though), and I went in and called the police. I went back outside and waited. The boys yelled at me until the police arrived, then ran in and hid. The police saw them go in, saw them looking out the back windows, but of course couldn't do anything if they didn't answer the door. I was furious.

Then I finally got smart.

"Hey, do you know they have traffic here nonstop all night? Do you also know they have a minor child with a child living in this house? Oh, you know that? The child is on file at welfare? I think I'll call welfare about that. I also know who rents the house to them, think I'll call there, too."

By 5:00 that evening the whole troop was standing on the porch talking to a detective about the drugs.

By 5:30 they were back on the porch talking to welfare.

By 6:00 the landlord had called and said they had 30 days to get out.

I don't care where they went. I know they all needed to be locked up, and there was no "program" that was going to make them all better. Time to give up on that pipe dream for career criminals.

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« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2002, 11:22:22 AM »
Kieren, you need to be smarter than that.

A lot smarter.

You can't compare this kid with those kids, just because they appear to be the same in terms of committing crimes.

Otherwise you are just ignorantly generalizing because of instances in the past with completely unrelated people.

Don't let your emotions of dealing with those people get in the way of your judgement of this person.

Especially when you've had ZERO confrontation or involvement with this individuals life.
-SW

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« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2002, 11:47:19 AM »
I'm sorry SW, could you relate the personal experience you've had with this individual?

Can you take only the small snapshot I've given you and understand what my family and entire neighborhood went through?

Can you tell me what experience you have with dealing with troubled teens, and the success stories you've enjoyed in turning them around?

Granted, I am not as bitter as I sound, but there are times when you have to cut the rope. That is a reality some people aren't willing to face.

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« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2002, 11:56:16 AM »
"Who wants to tell this girl's father that the rapist should get a lighter sentance because he's only 12?"

He should get a lighter sentence than a 20 year old certainly.

Anyone here still the same person they were when they were 16? or 12? (16 yr. olds need not answer)

How bout you Rip? I seem to recall a story about driving underage and such at 14? Elfie... you always been on the right side of the law? How about you drug users or especially the former drug users?

Everyone is just so quick to pull the trigger. Maybe this kid is a lost cause, maybe not. We will never know now. He's going to criminal college on an 8.5 year scholarship.

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« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2002, 11:57:49 AM »
I'm sorry SW, could you relate the personal experience you've had with this individual?

No, neither can you. That's my point. Rather than base your feelings/thoughts about him on your past experiences with completely seperate individuals in a completely different part of the US, wouldn't it make more sense to view this in terms of different circumstances?

Maybe this kid can be rehabilitated- but it ain't gonna happen in jail. Keep that in mind.

Can you take only the small snapshot I've given you and understand what my family and entire neighborhood went through?

I've dealt with a bunch of irate amazinhunks when they run into problems with their computers.

Should I treat or think everyone with a computer problem that comes to me will be an irate amazinhunk?

I've dealt with some pretty irate amazinhunks that are middle-aged. Some of 'em like to challenge me to fist fights.

Should I treat all middle-aged amazinhunks the same way, and circumvent their fist fight by throwing the first punch?

Can you tell me what experience you have with dealing with troubled teens, and the success stories you've enjoyed in turning them around?

No, can you? There are "troubled" teens out there that do get turned around. But, like I said, jail is not the answer. It makes them more troubled and any chance of rehabilitation goes right out the window.

Their first time in jail is never their last when they get sent there, remember that, and remember that it was you who wanted to send them there in the first place.

Now, if you wouldn't mind paying the taxes for him to stay there... and pay for mine too... then I don't give a rat's ass. But I don't wanna pay for some kid to go to jail just because you can't see any other alternative- and yes, there are far more alternatives than the big house where he WILL become a hardened criminal.

Granted, I am not as bitter as I sound, but there are times when you have to cut the rope. That is a reality some people aren't willing to face.

The other side of the coin is that you just further diddly 'em up by doing that. Maybe you can sleep in your nice bed at night comfortable in the knowledge that you just screwed up someone's life because you wanted to be a hard bellybutton based on past experiences with entirely different people...

And that's my point- jail is the place for already hardened criminals. Not the place you send someone so that they can become one.
-SW

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« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2002, 12:17:41 PM »
:rolleyes:     liberals

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« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2002, 12:20:53 PM »
it would be nice if we had a lottery of punishments borrowed from all around the world..

that way some people could be caned, some could have their hands cut off, some would be executed etc..

draw straws or pull a paper out of a hat or whatever..

Maybe then people would be a bit more discouraged.

but then again maybe not...

This kid definately needs to be caned imo....
then remove a hand next time he does it...
Third strike and he gets shipped off to France.

eliminate prisons entirely..just give the punishment and go..

could call it the "swift justice drive-thru"
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« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2002, 12:23:55 PM »
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Third strike and he gets shipped off to France



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« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2002, 12:24:35 PM »
You guys that avocate locking up minors in adult prisons are truly sick you know that?...

I thought Effie was joking..

Let see if this kid should get 10 years for stealing a 6pack of beer, what should Key Ley get for stealing 30 billion dollars from California?... Drawn and quartered with each piece of his body hung on spikes in foru parts of the country?..

Kerian what do you and hortland do on April 20th go down to you cellers and have a toast to daddy?

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