The Conservative/Liberal Debate

[senna]

Is this the CSPAN thread? Wheres the picture of the boring "author" of his new boring book or the senator on the floor of Congress taking a nap?

[slimm50]

miko2d wrote: "Otherwise it's the same - Al Gore or George W. Gore - swap them overnight and you'd never notice. "

I'd hate to think what kind of freakin mess we'd be in militarily and economically if that'd happened before 9/11/01.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Curval

The conservative feels that the basic nature of man is "bad".
 

Uhhhm, no.... conservatives feel that man is good (for one thing) but mostly can provide for himself without government assistance (or interferance).

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Ripsnort


Ironically, Liberalism is closer to pure fascism than conservativism is....( you can do a search for examples on this BBS )


Whats the at Churchill quote?

"Anyone who is not a liberal by the time they are 20, has no heart.
Anyone who is not a conservative by the time they are 30 has no brain"
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...but he was also fat and ugly so who cares?

[lord dolf vader]

social security is not welfare no entitlement is .  you cant lump in somthing a man works for for 40 years and PAYS for with social assistance I.E. WELFARE. or death benifits to a soldiers family either.  but it is standard conservative TOTALY MISSLEADING roadkill.

[mietla]

Originally posted by lord dolf vader
social security is not welfare no entitlement is .  you cant lump in somthing a man works for for 40 years and PAYS for with social assistance I.E. WELFARE. or death benifits to a soldiers family either.  but it is standard conservative TOTALY MISSLEADING roadkill.

Youa re surely joking, and you are surely clueless.

Of course SS is welfare. You probably also believe that the "Social Security Solvency Lock-Box" presented in a dark color really exits, and that someone really counts all the money you put there, just to give it all back to you (plus 12%/year compound interest) when you retire, don't you?

Dude, it is a scam, a giant Ponzzi scheme. If you ever try to implement you'll wind up in jail, but of course government passes GO, collects $200 and gets a Get Free Out Of Jail card every time.


So, where, "In Your Opinion"  2 trillion + dollars really goes?
$2 T / years = $63,419 /sec mind you.

The feds can give a full year's salary to a lazy bum watching Oprah/Springer all day long.... every second. This means 3600 * 24 * 365 = 31,536,000 (31+ millions) full time bums a year. I mean full support, the bums don't even wipe their ass, feds do everything.

BTW, could you live on $64,000 for each member of your family? Say tax free $256,000 for your family of 4, none of you even knowing what work is?

I hoped you could, enjoy.


I know I did not subtract the 16% for a defense spending so my numbers are not really accurate, but I just wanted to give you a rough idea of of a size of this thing.


Yeah, right "roadkill"

[mietla]

And I didn't even touch the 19% of a Non-defence Discretionary spending, because I suspect (but I can't prove it) it is secretly spend for a stealth tax relief for the people who work for a living.

[SirLoin]

Bah.

[slimm50]

Originally posted by lord dolf vader
social security is not welfare no entitlement is .  you cant lump in somthing a man works for for 40 years and PAYS for with social assistance I.E. WELFARE. or death benifits to a soldiers family either.  but it is standard conservative TOTALY MISSLEADING roadkill.

I agree with you on the death benifits for a soldiers family. However, it's a sad fact that social security is an entitlment begun by FDR which long ago usurped it's original stated purpose. It is no longer a way to put money aside for the day you retire, or need in case of an emergency/hardship. I'm paying for my parents' benifits today, and my children will be paying for me tomorrow. And the "lock box" is a myth. ( know you didn't mention that, thought I'd throw that in.) Why should I EXPECT someone else to pay my way (i.e. take care of me) when I'm old? In a benevolent society, that's the right thing to do, but I should appreciate it when it happens, not CLAIM IT AS A RIGHT.

[batdog]

Originally posted by funkedup
Republicans are just a slightly less virulent strain of socialists than Democrats.

It's like the difference between eating toejam and eating toejam with chocolate syrup on it.  The toejam with chocolate syrup tastes marginally better, but you are still eating toejam.

This statement is the most brilliant in regards to the ongoing Poly Sci debates I have ever seen.

xBAT

[slimm50]

Originally posted by funkedup:
"Republicans are just a slightly less virulent strain of socialists than Democrats.

It's like the difference between eating toejam and eating toejam with chocolate syrup on it. The toejam with chocolate syrup tastes marginally better, but you are still eating toejam."

OK, guess I got a little too serious in my last post. The above is closer to the mark.

Hey!, how 'bout those La7's. Ain't they great planes, or what?
(slimm deftly, and with amazing conversational dexterity, changes the subject.)

[straffo]

speaking of toejam it remind me of an old Goulag joke :

Igor (the optimist )  : we will soon eat toejam
Vladimir (the pessimist) : we won't have enougth for all of us

[popeye]

Liberals want to control your public life.  Conservatives want to control your private life.

Take your choice.

[H. Godwineson]

Liberals believe conservatives shouldn't try to legislate morality.
Conservatives believe liberals shouldn't try to legislate morality.

Liberals believe the Park Service should fight wildfires in order to preserve our national forests.
Conservatives believe the Park Service should not fight wildfires in order to preserve our national forests.

Liberals believe the government should regulate the economy in order to ensure more prosperity for the working man.
Conservatives believe the government should not regulate the economy which will ensure more prosperity for the working man.

Liberals believe the tax rate should be fair.
Conservatives believe the tax rate should be fair.


Now, can't you all see how "similar" the two political philosophies are?  Why all the arguing?

Or is "the devil in the details?"




Regards, Shuckins

[midnight Target]

Typical Liberal