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« Reply #75 on: September 23, 2002, 02:12:19 PM »
I grew up with two brothers, now I've got three kids of my own, including two boys and AKIron is on target.

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« Reply #76 on: September 23, 2002, 02:23:01 PM »
Thrawn, there have been many studies that back both sides of the argument. I'm more interested in hearing about personal experience in this case. I noticed you avoided answering my question. I'll take that as either you have a baby or no children. In which case I'll simply say let's talk again in 6 or 7 years.

To answer your question about the guy with kids in jail. He probably didn't do it right.
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« Reply #77 on: September 23, 2002, 02:35:16 PM »
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Originally posted by hblair
I grew up with two brothers, now I've got three kids of my own, including two boys and AKIron is on target.

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You've asked me this question before HB, and I answered it.  He's not right on.

I'll say the same thing to you now that I said then.  I don't considered YOU qualifed to talk about raising kids because you've only had three.  

You can stoke off AKIron all you want HB.  But I find it interesting that you also have nothing to say about the scientific that prove that corporal punishment is bad.  But I supposed that's not too surprising.  

What about the people that produced the studies, do they have to be parents as well?

By your logic pepple on the is board that have never flown a WW2 plane but post QUOTES from WW2 pilots, arent qualified to do so!  

LOL.  Whee

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« Reply #78 on: September 23, 2002, 02:42:43 PM »
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I'm more interested in hearing about personal experience in this case.


I'm more interested in finding out weather or not corporal punishment is good or bad for your child.  

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I'll take that as either you have a baby or no children. In which case I'll simply say let's talk again in 6 or 7 years.


Cya.

I'm out of this thread, really..this time I mean it.  :p

Thanks for your consideration and all that jazz.  The info I posted is the tip of the iceburg.  You all have access to the internet.  Go ahead and read the info there.  Scientific study has proven that you're hurting you kids in so many ways when you spank them.  But, I can't agrue with pigheadedness.

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« Reply #79 on: September 23, 2002, 02:50:59 PM »
"I'm more interested in finding out weather or not corporal punishment is good or bad for your child."

Guess I just can't let it go.  ;)

You're welcome to call and ask them. There are four of them aging from 19 to 28.  The older three have their own kids, they'll agree with me that a smack on the butt is needed on occasion and is beneficial rather than harmful.  The 19 year old will likely agree with you which kinda proves my point.
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« Reply #80 on: September 23, 2002, 03:02:45 PM »
That study:


Thrawn first of all, a selection that small leaves a margin of error that is astronomical.

Secondly, they measured the amount of corporal punishment applied in family by the amount their mothers were spanking the kids during the auditions. What about the mothers who were shy to hit the kids during the interview and beat the crap out of them later? Lol.

What about the chance that those kids who needed to be slapped during the audition were hyperactive, less social and generally more stupid than the average child and therefore needed tougher discipline? In fact I believe that was exactly the case. The parents were used to slap the bonehead prats so they did it even during supervision unconciously.

So, if we look at that kind of studies with even a tiny bit of criticism, we found out that the study had no base to begin with, too many unknown factors.

In fact, despite endless amounts of theories, nobody still knows exactly how a human being develops, gets his habits, IQ and possible homocidal impulses. ;) There simply are too many effecting factors and comparisons are made impossible since there aren't groups of people who would have exactly the same backgrounds, level of intelligence etc. Humans genetic variations cancel it alone, from syblings the other may become a genius and the other remain average or vice versa. How are you going to compare a group of families if you can't even compare the methods used within a single one with the results in hand?

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« Reply #81 on: September 23, 2002, 03:23:15 PM »
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Keep hitting your kids guys! When my child is the boss of yours, because mines smarter, better socialised and have better mental health, yours will be "immediately compliant"!


I had no idea you were so fanatical about this. And to top it off with a juvenile taunt, no less! You weren't spanked by any chance, were you? ;)

Seriously, take a breath. As has already been pointed out, there is much about the studies you read that is open to debate. Further, I believe practical experience as a parent is a good basis for opinion as well. To use your analogy, to deny this would be like saying a WWII vet doesn't really know anything about the war or what happened.

My daughter, whom I've so cruelly beaten within an inch of her life on so many occasions (maybe five spankings in her entire life) is the head of her class and has maxed out her standardized state testing scores. Using your logic, this proves spanking made her smarter. Of course that is nonsense, just like assuming those that are spanked actually lose intelligence. I could have a field day poking holes in studies such as those. ;)

As for my daughter working for your kid? I wouldn't bet the bank on it. ;)

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« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2002, 03:54:01 PM »
Thrawn, You are a nut. Certified man. Hope they don't let you near the kids.

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« Reply #83 on: September 23, 2002, 04:07:06 PM »
Yea! well my daughter would kick both their butts and then take their lunch money!







But seriously folks, These debates always seem to range toward the extremes. As if the 2 sides are:

1. Beat them until they get some sense.
2. Never ever lay a hand on them.

Isn't it obvious that the correct answer (if there is one) is somewhere in the middle?

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« Reply #84 on: September 23, 2002, 05:33:54 PM »
FYI   she just pleaded innocent.

should get interesting

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« Reply #85 on: September 23, 2002, 06:10:09 PM »
But there's the thing, MT... I've never taken the stance of "beating sense into kids" per se, but it is the way those that are totally against corporal punishment paint anyone that does spank. Spanking is merely one avenue of discipline to me, nothing more. The conclusion it is my only option is pretty myopic.

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« Reply #86 on: September 23, 2002, 06:20:48 PM »
#1 what she did was wrong.
#2 depends on the sevearity of what went on for spanking
#3 it should be no more than 3 wacks
#4 i hate being spanked loL!

good thing i cant fit on lap anymore
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« Reply #87 on: September 23, 2002, 06:55:33 PM »
God not another limp wrist trying to tell me what's best for MY kids!

Like Kieren I spanked my kids when they needed it and they are both top in their class. My Daughter is a Senior this year and she is ranked 3rd in a class of almost 400. My son is in 8th grade and has straight A's. Both are well mannered and liked by Teachers and students.

As a parent and as an employee of a school system I see everyday how the lack of spankings have hurt our kids more than they have helped. You can almost always tell the kids that have never been spanked by the way they treat others. Normally they treat others with the same disrespect they showed their dim witted parents.

Now am I saying that ALL kids should be spanked? No of course not! But anyone who says that one way is better than another as a whole has no freaking clue of what they are talking about.

Every kid is different and as such no 2 kids are going to need to be disciplined the same.
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« Reply #88 on: September 23, 2002, 07:49:55 PM »
That sucks dude. Hope you get back up soon with that wrist injury. I've come close to wrecking my wrists on numerous occasions.

I guess just lucky thus far.

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« Reply #89 on: September 23, 2002, 07:51:12 PM »
oops wrong post, meant for the other ACL post.