Author Topic: WW2OL Revisited (Read 9214 times)

hardcase · « **Reply #225 on:** September 25, 2002, 03:49:24 PM »

I'm out of ww2ol and waiting on a beta release. 30 mins is too long to get to action but you really dont have to wait 30 mins. Truck to a town fight is about 7 mins max, depending on the driver.

I think it is more of..quick fights vs slower fights. In one hour of wb I could do..7 sorties?..ww2ol takes longer to setup a fight. If you run to a fight..30 mins seems right. Running to a fight is kinda' goofy.

Flying to one can take 20 mins. Historical? Is the flight sim portion target rich? No. AH prolly has more in one fight than I might see in an entire sortie unless I stumble upon a bomber flight etc. Historical?

Maybe I am just trying to get you guys to see, it is more than a turd.

I didnt read the entire 300+ post:) Just the thread lead.

Thrawn · « **Reply #226 on:** September 25, 2002, 03:53:37 PM »

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Originally posted by hardcase
Your leaving was one of many, and by that time I was fed up with everyone's posting.

Try, "one of the vast majority". Two types of people those that got scewed once and quit. And those poor morons that kept on paying money to that jerks that diddlyed. Luckily those were at small percentage.

There was something else that the rats could have done. They could have stood by thier product and thier word.

hardcase · « **Reply #227 on:** September 25, 2002, 03:58:10 PM »

I disagree on game crippling bugs.Too many ppl continue to play it for the bugs to be game crippling. Perhaps the problem is game vs sim. WW2OL was never designed to be a "game". Taking 30 mins to setup a fight is nothing in ww2ol. 30 mins is a lifetime in wbs and ah.

hardcase

hardcase · « **Reply #228 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:04:14 PM »

And those poor morons that kept on paying money to that jerks that diddlyed. Luckily those were at small percentage.

Silly boy, I am neither poor nor a moron and I keep on paying em, that is correct.

BTW..that small percentage continues to grow.

Such venom. Sound like a post from early on. I am more glad you aren't playing than you are.

Stood by their program. ....uh, continuing in the face of all that crap slung at them and to continue to improve the sim, doesn't count as standing by?

hardcase

hardcase · « **Reply #229 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:06:59 PM »

Smoking a J for my nausea..so, dont count the spelling from here on in.

hc

Wotan · « **Reply #230 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:09:46 PM »

I dont think anyone tried to sell the aces high main as "historical".

How would you classify the wwiiol "Blitzkreig" arena. You call that "historical"???

Surely you see that neither game is even close to "historical".

We have events and the like 3 or 4 times a week and a scenario every quarter. Last one was the battle of britain (I was the axis co) the next one is midway.

I am a combat theater CM and focus on "historical match ups" more then "historical gameplay".

Besides the "wwiiol hamspter wheel" arena what outlet is provided to guys who want a more "historical" setting? You have none.

Its spawn run / drive / fly to capture the flag then start over. Just like aw wbs ah and any of the other fps games. Nothing "historical" about that is there?

Some one said in this thread "they have a scenario type set up with main arena rules". The worst of both worlds for gameplay.

110s the lw plane that won the battle of france?
pistols the weapon of choice for inf?
tanks more numerous the inf?

Not to mention the total disregard of the tactics that made blitzkreig what it was.

Even the 109e4 was the 109 variant used the most in the BoF.

hardcase · « **Reply #231 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:11:48 PM »

One post.

Actually it is..fewer and fewer ..not less and less.

Not sure exactly what he wants to do as a pilot.?..Air to air, vulch and bomb..uh..isnt that pretty much was air does? His opinion of the player base based on the number he thinks he counts in forums is fact to be refuted?

Perhaps the poster is "good at flight sims"

To base some argument on one post is silly.

ball is in your court

hc

Fishu · « **Reply #232 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:11:57 PM »

Oedipus,

Similar topics has been up from time to time in AH, WB....

What exactly differes in vultching problem to other games and what has the other games done to it?
Nothing.

The general thumb of rule is: theres plentiful of other fields, take off from elsewhere and go kill the vulchers or go find a fight.

I haven't had need to vulch in WWIIOL.

So exactly how does this work against WWIIOL but not against ... what.. AW, WB, AH, IL2....?

Wotan,

Well, how would you then implement gaining of the ground so that it would also work reliably?

In the latest debates, a player made a test and found pistols performing correctly - the problem being exageration and generally better accuracy in the games than real life.

Some things are quite impossible to implement into the games, after all, humans pays for the fun...
If you would make it one tank for every 200 troops, it wouldn't quite work, would it?
So let's at least be realistic.. some compromises has to be done *always* and it doesnt need much of a common sense to figure out you're basically having too high requirement.
The bad thing with tanks is that theres same amout of tanks everywhere, no less or more in some parts... I think this will change have a change though.

You could just as well tell us how would you implement a way to make things work like in blitzkrieg...
It is easy to rant about things, but harder to find working solutions.
Finding that working solution can be very complex.

I'm really curious how you're going to get tank/inf numbers so that theres 'wastly' more infantry than tanks, without making it turn away most of the players and how would you make it more blitzkrieg like.

Actually E4 wasnt the most used.. I'm not sure did it even take a part at all in BoF.
In any case it has Battle of Britain colours instead of BoF. (In BoF it should have sexy brownish camoflage, without yellow bands)
E3 was pretty common in BoF, with only difference being the cannons - MG-FF cannons were replaced with MG-FF/M cannons in E4.
but in any case Bf109s were something like three times more common than Bf110.

You can however fault the players of 109 being limited one, not CRS.

hardcase · « **Reply #233 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:20:42 PM »

Historical in the map and the vehicles..what happens after that is player driven.

that scenerio server that was tested last week was a first itteratiopn The spawn areas were reduced and the infantry had attrition values added. Anhee fell when all the inf had been killed along with at guns etc.

Perhaps I can see further into tomorrow than you can.
More of a server load test.

110..etc..

player driven ..that is why Franch doesn't always surrender in ww2ol
so for now german have on the 110 stukes,109s and 111..I dont think that lack will make me drop, but you find it a fault. I'm glad to have a sim that might be the big war online I have always wanted. Dont you want a war like that?

Then you can say that ww2ol isnt it..and I will say..not yet but it will get there a damn sight faster than anything else around here.

hardcase

hardcase · « **Reply #234 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:21:28 PM »

the conclusions are not the case oed, no matter how much you want them to be.

hardcase

Thrawn · « **Reply #235 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:23:32 PM »

What type of cancer you have?

Samm · « **Reply #236 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:24:06 PM »

WWIIOL a POS game ? I don't think so, it still isn't a game, it would have to improve to become a POS game .

I know I know, I'm wrong, I'm lying, my computer sucks and I don'w know what I'm doing .

Kieran · « **Reply #237 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:24:58 PM »

I think if you knew me you would know I don't enter a discussion swinging my arms around.

If your memory is really good, Hard, you can remember how I was savaged for questioning what was going on. It was brutal, no big deal, but I saw the situation clearly after a bit. There were sychophants that threw themselves on grenades for CRS, and CRS calmly let the fanbois do it. Any manner of vulgar expletive was allowed... until someone said something about Hatch or Killer, then OOOOOHHHH, "TOS violations"... where I had originally been polite and hoped for a CRS response, I became bitter by the handling by fanatical thuggees and really no longer cared. If I made a mistake, it was not quitting sooner when it was obvious CRS didn't really care about what they had done, nor did they care about the abuses that were being heaped upon their player base. You have your share in that too, Hardcase, because just as you are doing now you would continuously either deny problems existed, minimalize them, or ask people to leave.

Say what you want about me here or there, but I can guarantee you this; I have never asked anyone to leave a game. It isn't my right to speak for the developers that way. Whatever I think of you personally you have the same right I have to an opinion and the decision to play or not. It isn't my right to tell you to leave.

Now we come the topic of reviews... if someone posts a review that enumerates many faults that I too found, I am not about to stand for you to come in here and call them lies. First, the person posting the review is not worthy of that disrespect. Second, as they are telling the truth, potential players would be better served going into that game with their eyes open. You on the other hand are inviting swimmers into the surf, not warning them of the broken glass just under the surface. They will find it on their own and resent you and the game all the more for the deceit.

The reason this thread is getting ugly is due to you refusing to accept what the sentiment of this board is regarding that game. Sorry to tell you, most people here have 20/20 vision regarding WWIIOL, so put away the rose-colored corrective glasses.

hardcase · « **Reply #238 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:26:22 PM »

Had...Colon..doing chemo as a precaution. Percocets and herb:D

hardcase

Samm · « **Reply #239 on:** September 25, 2002, 04:27:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
What type of cancer you have?

Haha ! CRS succeeded at what Voss' TAS failed to do .