Monitors

[AKDejaVu]

Some are questioning the need for the moderators.  I am not.

I am questioning bias in regards to moderation.  Are certain things acceptable from certain players but not others?  With the case in point, it doesn't sound like either were saints... and both probably merited muting.  One was chosen to be muted.

The later conflict then comes from the fact that two people were acting like an ass, but one now has the "oh yea, well they muted you not me" rhetoric added in.  My how things escalate.

Keep it fair.. if a conversation is going in the wrong direction, don't shut one participant up.  Once again, I do feel these things should be reitterated to the moderators.

AKDejaVu

[Apache]

During my years in law enforcement, we found that just being seen was sometimes a deterent to unruly behaviour.

Wonder how it would affect (effect?) the arena if we saw in the roster..SYSOP? We don't need to know who SYSOP is but we would know he/she could bust our chops if the need arose.

[Ripsnort]

Deja, think it was answered here in this whole paragraph:
 

Some people would like to have a very clear cut definition of what is and isn't acceptable. We can no
                   more make a clear definition about that than congress can define what pornography is and isn't or the
                   NBA can define what is and isn't a technical foul. I can give some clear-cut examples but I can't define the
                   gray area. There is no clear line to toe. It comes down to our opinion as to whether something is
                   detrimental to our business. We can't uniformly enforce a strict policy and we make no claims to do so
                   and will not be liable for failing to do so. For most people this doesn't matter since they're not trying to toe
                   the line.

[llbm_MOL]

I dont really feel either had a chance to get started ranting on channel 1. One was muted before it got started. this argument might have dissappeared before it even started. This monitor"whoever it was" jumped the gun. If an aurgument starts to get outta hand and it runs rampant THEN a warning should be issued. Then! if the participants continue to aurgue they should BOTH be muted. I also think more warning should be given. I didnt have a clue that we even had monitors in the arena. I can now see the need for them but I dont like them. I think they should be trained better than this guy was that muted said player and more warnings should be given. I think if both players had known there was such a monitor in place they would have stopped argueing after the first warning. Not knowning this was in place and cuased these last two threads and the unease we are all feeling. NEXT time y'all implement somethign like this I think it would be a much BETTER idea to let us children know about before something liek this happens. I MEAN!!! Let us REALLY know. I dont read every thread in here and I dont always look at the news section. I think something in the form of a pop up message whan you log into the MA(like you have for the TA) would be in order for this kind thing. I dont like suprises like this and from the feel of it I'm not the only one. Suckass excluded on that last remark.

LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!

[AKSeaWulfe]

NT

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[-sudz-]

I think that anyone selected to be a moderator would be someone in touch with the community and, hence, has read these two threads.

Whatever opinions fall out on either side of this argument will almost certainly be reflected in their future decisions.  

My own reaction to this whole thing is a pair of shrugging shoulders.  If this the is largest problem the AH community has to deal with then I say "WOOHOO!"

-Sudz (not a moderator)

[Dingy]

Ya know, its REAL tempting  

MUST.....RESIST.....

-Ding

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:

You can at least learn from the mistake.
-SW

I we can only hope you learned yours...think before engaging fingers into text.

[AKSeaWulfe]

   

Yeah I learned mine.

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[Ripsnort]

Thats unfortunate for you in the long run...since a man who recognizes and learns from his mistakes takes 2 steps forward, then one step back....man who never recognizes and learns from his mistakes takes 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

I hope this thread puts to rest the case of the "Unfair Mute"...stay tuned next week for another re-run of "The Chog needs to be perked!"...  

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[Westy]

 Pathetic.

 I would much rather have had a nice lengthy NEWS bulletin from Pyro.

 Instead he has to waste his time by giving a fediddleing social intercourse lesson to some who behave as if they sh&t thier Huggies full and aint been changed in hours.  

  -Westy



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[AKSeaWulfe]

   


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[Creamo]

I find the whole thing at least interesting.

Do you have these monitor powers Ripsnort?

[CptTrips]

Wulfie,

Maybe the monitor was just a friend of Dingy's.  Maybe their even in the same squad.  Maybe he was mad cause you shot him down too many times last week.  Maybe his squad has a grudge agianst our squad.  Maybe you were bish and he always takes the side of rooks over bish.  Maybe he doen't out right abuse his power but maybe he exploits every little gray areas to settle old scores.  Unless is a flagrent abuse HTC prolly can't say anthing.  As long as each incident is within a fuzzy gray area he can always claim honest intent.  Maybe the fuzzyness gives him just enough wiggle room to settle old grudges.  Since he can operate in complete anonymity we'll never know.  Maybe thats why goverments have those sunshine laws.  I understand the need for monitoring.  I'm not so sure I'm ok with the idea of a race of uber-customers lording power over the other paying customers with no "public" accountability or oversight.
Would "D!ck" have been ok?  How about "prettythanghole"?  or "4$$h0lE"?  "Warper"  "HO DWEEB" etc...?  Are those ok on Monday night but not ok on Wed?
Is it ok if you're a Rook but not a Bish?


Even with all those possible, and over the course of enough time probable, abuses of authority I can see HTC point and have some sympathy for their delima.  They're not doing this for kicks, they are trying to solve a problem.  Its a problem that most all of us have recognized at one time or another.  Its a problem we've all ASKED them to solve.  Maybe uber-customer monitors are a necessary evil.  I can prolly live with that.

What I think is the real mistake the consistancy.  If you want to clean up the arena then REALLY do it.  A little swearing now and then doesn't make me hysterical.  I've been lucky enough to miss the racial rants.  But what really poisons the arena day in and day out hour by hour is the constant whining, (insert plane) dweeb accusations, gangbang accusations, HO dweeb accusations, Spray and pray accusations, excuse making,poor sportsmanship, etc...etc... Can they go on like that all they want as long as they don't say "dick"????  There is a lot more out there that needs to be muted that doesn't necessarily have the word "dick" in it.  I think in balance its prolly orders of magnitude more damaging to the arena experience over time.  If not, your just treating the rash and ignoring the gangrene.
Now I'm not for "more" or "less" monitoring.  I'm for "proper" monitoring.
Do what you want with the occational bad word but at least make sure in addition you solve the REAL problem.  If you don't have the stomach to open THAT can of worms, them just drop the whole thing and give us a permenant squelch list.  One click, silenced forever.


Regards,
Wab

[-towd_]

first a cuss word editor then a squelch now
secret police?

great minds think alike . hitler stalin ect ect ect . now add htc.


bad idea. chearleaders controling what is expressed . cant wait for you to have competition.