Gunning down ejectee's

[Seagoon]

Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard

 Speaking only for myself here but, what bothers me more Reverend is your apparent inability to differentiate a computer game from reality.

Hi DamnedBuzzard,

My bad. I know I probably should never have gotten into this one. Having a discussion about the ethics of something in a forum with no absolute ethical standard is fairly impossible. I'll leave this one well alone after this - especially because I'm well aware that this makes a BBS designed for fun all too heavy and serious and for that I'm sincerely sorry.

But let me raise a couple of thoughts that I hope may provoke a thought or two. Shooting pilots parachuting from stricken aircraft is actually a violation of a quaint old document called the Geneva Convention. It was for activities like this (and machine-gunning people in life-rafts) that we tried and hung men at Nuremburg and even a few in Japan. We once accepted that this, along with things like strafing refugees, was a morally abhorent activity, even in wartime. These were considered acts of murder not war.

Yes, I'm aware this is just a simulation, and that these are "simulated murders and war crimes" and that there are far worse sims out there (rape, serial killing, theft, etc.) But there's an old saying, "character is what you are in the dark". Society exposes its soul through the things that its citizens enjoy doing when no-one else can see. We are in a sense more honest in the games we play, than in the way we act in the world. If we are honorable, and courageous, faithful, and fair, etc. in the dark, then we will be so in the light of day. But if we are nothing but vile, adulterous, vicious, rapacious, etc. in our fantasies, then at heart we are barbarians and it's our civility that is a sham.

Personally, I don't like to think what the long term effects of ever-more realistic games that nurture or promote evil behavior will be on our culture (especially in the case of children). I think only the naive would say that they'll be good.

Do what you will, but as for me, I don't want to shoot chutes, not in the games I play or in reality.

- SEAGOON

[Miska]

Salute Wotan.  See you up there

[Seagoon]

One last log on the fire I forgot to mention. A friend of mine just returned to Egypt and told me that one of the most popular computer games in the country at present is Microsoft Flight Simulator. Want to know why? Because the current fad is using it to simulate flying fully loaded 757s and 767s into the WTC and other American landmarks.

- Seagoon

[DmdMac]

I'll do a little ballbustin over it, but I'm not on a crusade to end virtual war atrocities:)

[Wotan]

Miska was kiddin most of my guys never bother shooting chutes(check our main scores) but we will happily vulch you

[Fatty]

Are the wheelchairs going to be in the next version?

[sling322]

Originally posted by Wotan
Miska was kiddin most of my guys never bother shooting chutes(check our main scores) but we will happily vulch you

Nice try Wotan, but chute kills dont show up in scores.

[Wotan]

hmm thought it did,

[Turbot]

Originally posted by Miska
No, in fact there is, but it is much less prevalent and taken much more seriously.  For example, in a historical event recently (pretty much same people as in CT) one 880 FAA pilot was shot at in his parachute by a JG2 pilot.

The reason that we "care" about chute shooting, is that it actually has an effect on us.  The Sierra Hotel board on the squadron's website shows our performance in historical events, minus our deaths.

While I think most of us recognize that shooting at parachutes is a historically realistic thing to do, we also understand that it is something serious.  If one squadron starts doing it, we all stand to suffer (if not in our lives, at least in our stats).  All I can say is:  Check 6, JG2.

I am a JG2 I not shot anyone in a chute in event,   but hell yeah I have been KILLED in a chute in event.  I didn't give it a second though.  In events life and death is scored a great deal differently.  Im sorry if Ace High does'nt conform with your internally contrived scoring methods - I guess we could petition HTC to immediately change (or you could adopt something that gets along with the way Aces High works - or better yet - have bail out training and keep your current system ).

Guys I don't like are the dweebs that zoom in suicide on a field (usually a typhoon country X ), ping as many people as possible, point nose into sky - bail - and wait for kills to be recorded.  Those chutes will get many many bullets, and deservedly so.  Then they not get a BAIL in stats, but a well deserved DEATH.

[Shane]

no.. they only show how many times you died near a chute, where the chute got "credit."   they don't show how many (if) chutes you've killed.

they might show, not sure, how many kills you got  credit for while dangling in a chute.

[Leslie]

Doesn't do me any good to shoot a chute..I'm a bad shot and don't want to waste ammo or worse, not hit the chute.

So I don't do it.  Doesn't bother me when I'm gunned in the chute, 'cause a lot of times they miss too...LOL, unless Fatty is around.  But I don't ever recall having the honor of Fatty shooting my chute.  For a while there, I would ride my downed plane into the ground...but sometimes would get a computer lockup when I did that, so now I bail just to avoid that.  (Usually bail too late anyway and get killed.)  If you're interested in your score, I don't  think it makes a difference anyway whether you bail or ride it down.  It counts as a kill for your opponent.  Someone please correct me if I'm all wet.

On a related note Seagoon, I will say that on many towns being prepared for goons, the church building is often the last one standing.  I always wondered why a religious structure was included in the town, that had to be destroyed to take a base.  When this first came out, I almost posted about it, but figured someone else would, so I waited.  I'm sure there are players who have issues with shooting up a church building in the game, ... myself included.  It's a code matter that the ammo bunker (field object...not town object) doesn't have to be destroyed to capture a town.  Seems like, if a church has to be there, it should not be destroyed as part of taking a base.  

Has anyone else here thought about this?  One of the things I do is straf towns and bases, but it seems the church building is left up a lot of times, and 8 out of 10 times, I have to straf it to prepare the town for goons.  Almost gotten to the point where I get that first, cause I know the other guys won't do it.  Why not place the church building on the field, or code it as a field object...similar to the ammo bunker?   All.


Les

[akak]

Originally posted by Xjazz



Anyway, chute shooting in Ah is totally waisting of ammo, nothing else.

It's only a waste of ammo if you miss.

Ack-Ack

[akak]

Originally posted by Miska
And here we have one of the major cultural differences between the MA and the CT.

CT chute kills are the best kind, much more satisfying than MA chute kills.



ack-ack

[devious]

For what else would I need 1800 rounds of 7.92 on my A5 ?

BTW it's funnier to shoot guys falling from the sky without the chute open

You should be able to fire at the chutes proper and thereby raise  their rate of descent (holes). Then you could finely judge a mortal descent rate AND keep the guy enjoying the experience some more .

I'll also shoot chutes with mannable Ack. It's fascinating.

[Miska]

Wotan,

Vulching is a completely different kettle of fish.  We prefer to call it "field suppression", and we consider it a perfectly legitimate and historically accurate tactic.  If you see 880 above your field, don't roll