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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2002, 05:23:59 AM »
Well just recently I came across a US Military Pamphlet written up just at the end of WW2 outlining exactly how US GI's should interact with the German population during the occupation, including instructions how and what to tell them during conversations - basically to be firm and professional towards them and not buddy buddy. I guess thats the same as these cards. Were they idiots back then too?

The way you posed the question makes me think you harbor hatred and contempt for the US army - thats why I accused you of it. Thats all the "proof" there has to be, your apparent attitude.

As for my insecurities. You bet. You see I have not always lived in a comfortable wealthy nation or in home with microwaves, TVs, telephones, gas/electric stoves and all the amenities of modern western life. You have by all appearences, and you have no idea or fear or even the possibility in your mind of experiencing the alternative.  So it all must appear very strange to you that I react easily and agressivly to some things.

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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2002, 06:01:17 AM »
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I guess thats the same as these cards. Were they idiots back then too?


Firstly, we're talking about journalists and correspondants not the population of a conquered enemy. I was aware of written guidelines for the latter case, but not the former especially guidelines which include possible questions and suggested answers.

Secondly, the term 'idiot cards' is neither a term coined by me or applied by me in this case. It is a term commonly used to describe cue cards used on members of the public to pretend they have some sort of spontaneous, but agreeable, comment on whatever they are being asked. They are often used in advertising.

For the millionth time (you really need to brush up on those reading comprehension skills), the soldiers called them 'idiot cards' not me. Comprende?

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Thats all the "proof" there has to be, your apparent attitude...


That's your interpretation (and your problem). Not mine.

Frankly, I couldn't care less about your history, Grunherz. I probably would have sympathised once, but your never-ending vitriol is wearisome in the extreme. If you can't handle what people post here without descending into an apoplectic rage (a common occurance, although we simply have the vitriol in this thread), I wonder why you bother to read the O-club.

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« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2002, 06:01:51 AM »
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I would just like to say that I'm might be off base.  I need to give this thread some thought and will post after I've done so.


Now dont go throwing out that perfect record of consistancy you have ;)

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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2002, 06:02:39 AM »
I wonder too....

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« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2002, 07:12:28 AM »
I'm just surprised anyone with even a passing knowledge of the military would even raise an eyebrow at such a thing.

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« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2002, 07:15:04 AM »
Well Dowding the enlightened progressive surely wants every soldier to be in touch with his feelings and conduct Oprah sytle interviews with unbiased non-USA hating BBC reporters...

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« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2002, 08:32:33 AM »
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What's the point of this thread? Apart from a forum in which you could project your insecurities? Well, that was just a bonus (to you, of course, not anyone else reading... we've heard it all before). I was genuinely surprised that media relations were so orchestrated as needing to have cards printed. Call me naive, if you want. I therefore wondered how it had been in the past.

As for your question - I thought the answer would be obvious. What are is the command afraid of to take so seemingly drastic measures? I'd be interested to know if this was the first conflict these 'idiot cards' (their description not mine) were used in.

So where's the proof that I hate the US military? Or is that another side-stepped issue to add to all those others contained in this thread?


OK, you are naive. It seems likely to me that many reporters would try to imply that one soldier's opinion is representative of the lot. After all, why is he being interviewed, the uniform right?Maybe Joe doesn't like sand and sun but I do so why should he speak for me.

If there is going to be an opinion publicly stated then it should be that of official policy, hence the 'idiot cards'. Of course there are other reasons, some more obvious, but you seem to want to focus on the divisive.
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« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2002, 08:42:09 AM »
Still, naive as I might be, no-one has answered my original question and the point of the thread. Have these cards been distributed in the past? Or is this a new phase of military-media relations?

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« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2002, 08:55:46 AM »
last time I've seen a journalist trying to interview some soldier it was quite fun :

Journalist to soldier1 : what do you think of .....
soldier1 : I've nothing to say ask my officier
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Journalist to soldier2 : what do you think of .....
soldier2 : I've nothing to say ask my officier
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Journalist to soldier n  : what do you think of .....
soldier n : I've nothing to say ask my officier
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Journalist to officier : what do you think of .....
officier : I've no information for you at this time


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: no need for "idiot card" ;)



btw in france one of the nickname for the army is  :"la grande muette" which I would (badly) translate as : "the non-speaking"


rotfl ... Altavista translate in a quite humorous way  : the large dumb woman :p

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« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2002, 09:16:28 AM »
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Still, naive as I might be, no-one has answered my original question and the point of the thread. Have these cards been distributed in the past? Or is this a new phase of military-media relations?


I was never issued a card but was advised on a couple of occasions as to how to respond to reporters questions. Did I find it irritating? Yes. Did I understand the need for it? Yes.
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« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2002, 10:40:03 AM »
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Hmm, at least there are some people with perspective left... anyone else see a whole boatload of similarities between 1960/70's Hippee's and some of these "enlightened" extrahunks?


I'm sorry. Did we move to a totalitarian country that frowns on dissent? Those Hippies and these "enlightened amazinhunks" were and are allowed  their oppinions BECAUSE of America not in spite of it!  What the hell do you think we are protecting? Buildings? Sheesh!!!

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« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2002, 10:45:07 AM »
too easy :p

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btw in france one of the nickname for the army is  :"la grande muette" which I would (badly) translate as : "the non-speaking"


rotfl ... Altavista translate in a quite humorous way  : the large dumb woman :p
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« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2002, 11:00:44 AM »
Dowding-

To state the obvious, perhaps the cards themselves are new, but the spirit of the cards is not. Either way I'm not sure why this is so important to you.

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« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2002, 11:02:34 AM »
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I'm sorry. Did we move to a totalitarian country that frowns on dissent? Those Hippies and these "enlightened amazinhunks" were and are allowed  their oppinions BECAUSE of America not in spite of it!  What the hell do you think we are protecting? Buildings? Sheesh!!!


Every US citizen enjoys the free speech guaranteed by the Constitution. Military personnel however have limits placed upon the exercise of this right.

Furthermore, civilians may be contrary to the point of subversiveness while the military cannot afford this luxury. Where would we be if the US military were not strong and unified both in fact and as perceived by our allies and enemies?
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« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2002, 11:06:16 AM »
Nice thoughts Iron, however I wasn't commenting on the freedoms of our military. I was commenting on the knee jerk reactionaries coming out of the woodwork.