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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2002, 03:18:05 PM »
Fingerprints are also registered in the United States. It still takes weeks at times to get a match, provided the perpetrator has ever been arrested or inducted in the military and provided the analysis is correct. Perhaps you would prefer that all persons in the US be fingerprinted immediately so they could ALL be in the crinminal data base. That would make finding the criminal SO much easier wouldn't it. Of course we would have to ban gloves or take steps to see that only authorized people could get gloves so that unscrupulous people wouldn't be able to conceal their fingerprints.

Of course then we would need a much bigger data base to house the info in and a national person registration law to punish those who refuse to be registered. Of course we would also have to combine all state, county and local law enforcement data bases to make sure we have all the bases covered. A national ID card would be next, after all you'd need to prove your identity and that you were properly registered to be able to be here. Of course if you have never done anything wrong you don't have a thing to worry about do you. Lastly you'd NEVER have to worry about identity theft or the data base being wrong either. Multiple people with the same names??? That would NEVER happen.

I love this crap about protecting people by banning something misused by a few and punishing the many for it. Yep that would REALLY be protecting rights and liberties wouldn't it.:rolleyes:

Where does it stop mt and sandman???? How far are you going to go to make sure people are "protected"?
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2002, 03:21:15 PM »
Another great myth, that a gun's fingerprint stays the same.  Why don't you guys do some research on this, instead of just repeating, endlessly, this stuff.

A gun's fingerprint CAN change.  Dirty cartridges can cause scratches in the bore, which changes it's fingerprint.  So can dings in the crown of the muzzle.  So can copper-coated bullets, which leave residue behind to coat the bore.  So can firing a large number of rounds through it.  So can rust.  Any firearms expert working for the government who doesn't have a political point to make could tell you the same thing.

Besides, who will you blame if the killer turns out to be a terrorist?  They can buy any arms they want in the Middle East and smuggle them into the U.S.

Puh-lease!:rolleyes:


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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2002, 03:22:10 PM »
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Where does it stop mt and sandman???? How far are you going to go to make sure people are "protected"?


I do belive this is the same crowd that is jumping all over the Atorney General and others for violating their rights :)
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2002, 03:25:32 PM »
The ballistics on a gun change with how much its shot.

A bullet shot at the factory, on a gun with 5 rounds through it will not match the same gun after it has a few thousand rounds through it.


This would mean that for a gun that gets shot the records would be useless.
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Re: Another thing
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2002, 03:39:11 PM »
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The ballistics on a gun change with how much its shot.

A bullet shot at the factory, on a gun with 5 rounds through it will not match the same gun after it has a few thousand rounds through it.


This would mean that for a gun that gets shot the records would be useless.


Please don't list facts. Facts just give them headaches. It's much simpler to live in the clouds and not address reality.
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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2002, 03:42:16 PM »
human fingerprints are almost permanent,so called gun "fingerprints' are just machine marks left when the barrel is broached and will change over time depending on what goes down the barrel, cleaning brush, hard jacketed bullets , rust , even lead bullets will wear it some and change the markings , you could also polish the bore or even change it.

to take a "fingerprint " at the factory and creat a huge data base would only be marginely effective.

way it is now , if the police find the gun right after the crime and have enough of the bullet left to read any markings they some times can make a match.

to take "fingerprints " of guns at the factory is not a magic bullet to stop crime , it's just one more "feel good" law that wont work, BUT it will create a data base of guns and gun owners, some thing that liberals and dictators love to have.

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Re: Another thing
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2002, 03:44:21 PM »
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This would mean that for a gun that gets shot the records would be useless.


 Unless you submit to fresh fingerprinting once in a while.

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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2002, 03:51:54 PM »
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Fingerprints are also registered in the United States. It still takes weeks at times to get a match, provided the perpetrator has ever been arrested or inducted in the military and provided the analysis is correct. Perhaps you would prefer that all persons in the US be fingerprinted immediately so they could ALL be in the crinminal data base. That would make finding the criminal SO much easier wouldn't it. Of course we would have to ban gloves or take steps to see that only authorized people could get gloves so that unscrupulous people wouldn't be able to conceal their fingerprints.

Of course then we would need a much bigger data base to house the info in and a national person registration law to punish those who refuse to be registered. Of course we would also have to combine all state, county and local law enforcement data bases to make sure we have all the bases covered. A national ID card would be next, after all you'd need to prove your identity and that you were properly registered to be able to be here. Of course if you have never done anything wrong you don't have a thing to worry about do you. Lastly you'd NEVER have to worry about identity theft or the data base being wrong either. Multiple people with the same names??? That would NEVER happen.

I love this crap about protecting people by banning something misused by a few and punishing the many for it. Yep that would REALLY be protecting rights and liberties wouldn't it.:rolleyes:

Where does it stop mt and sandman???? How far are you going to go to make sure people are "protected"?


You should visit  germany,  you'd  like it :)
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2002, 03:54:45 PM »
:eek:

Next you will be saying it's Bushs fault!

Yeah he hired someone to shoot all those poor Blacks, Gays, Woman because he is a Republican and the only thing he cares about is drilling for oil in Alaska and starting a war with Iraq!

No NO I see it now he is trying to cover up the Election he stole!

Yeah! All those people that were shot are linked to the Florida election. They were all down in Florida making all those poor innocent Black, Gay, Old people stupid!! Yeah they did something to the water and now he is trying to cover it up!

PUH-LEEZE!!:rolleyes:

The only person to blame for the shootings are the ones pulling the trigger!
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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2002, 03:57:23 PM »
The problem with "fingerprinting" the gun is that you have to find the gun first, then compare it to a round from the scene. That is the way it is being done now and only in that manner can you confirm that that was the ACTUAL gun used in the act. Any "fingerprint cartridge" from the factory depends on how it was collected, filed and ultimately stored. As has been pointed out in other posts it is patently bogus as a reliable method of identification. With 10 seconds and a pocket knife I could render any "fingerprint bullet" ID impossible.
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« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2002, 03:58:41 PM »
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You should visit  germany,  you'd  like it :)


Perhaps you would like to explain your criptic remark. I am not into the madam cleo bit.
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« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2002, 04:09:42 PM »
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How about this: since the DC area has no CCW laws...

thats very misleading. DC has very strict no guns laws, but DC is the smallest part of the DC metro area. VA and MD is the majority of the area and even the majority of the densely populated (double meaning intentional. very high fraction of in-duh-viduals in that population) urban area. only one of the shootings have been in DC.  most have been in MD. the 1st and the last 2 have been in VA.  VA has easliy obtainable concealed carry permits and amongst the most easy going gun laws in the nation.
that being said, forcing gun owners to register is a presumption of guilt and the same logic could be used to allow gov't to force you to register practicaly anything you own, as it may be used in a crime.
anyway law enforcement doesnt prevent crime. they sometimes catch the prepetrator after the damage has been done. only rarely do the police actually stop an in-progress crime.
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2002, 04:23:27 PM »
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FYI< CRIMINALS DO NOT REGISTER THEIR WEAPONS.  Clear?


yeah, but at least they would know who "didn't" do it, (if all guns were registered).... LOL
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2002, 04:32:21 PM »
Any truth to the statement that registration records were used to confiscate guns in UK?  I don't quite care enough to look it up, but it would be a very strong case against registration in my eyes.
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2002, 04:47:28 PM »
"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about."



"those with something to hide are the first to scream about such measures"


Can you match the above quotes to the AH conservative who posted them?
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