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funkedup · « **Reply #45 on:** October 11, 2002, 08:05:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
Because it is far less likely for vehicles to be outlawed and then those registration records be used to confiscate them.

Yep there is a global record of registration leading to confiscation. The only thing protecting us from confiscation is the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. And the Bubbacrats just spent 8 years trying to erode and evade and annihilate that Amendment.

With Ashcroft (who has been outspoken in his support of the 2nd Amendment) as attorney general, I would feel fairly safe with registration. But once the Dumbocrats get back in office, there is ample evidence that they would try to parlay registration into nationwide confiscation.

If there were an abundance of world-wide precedents for auto registration leading to auto confiscation, I would be against auto registration as well. Who knows, if we get some envirowhackos in office again they might try it. I know the California Air Resources Board nutjobs would love it.

john9001 · « **Reply #46 on:** October 11, 2002, 08:40:34 PM »

California is trying to ban jet skis, personal water craft , guess who has the registration lists of owners????

Nash · « **Reply #47 on:** October 11, 2002, 09:43:04 PM »

Because it is far less likely for vehicles to be outlawed and then those registration records be used to confiscate them.

In otherwords, it's far more likely for *guns* to be outlawed and then those registration records be used to confiscate them.

Shouldn't "outlawed" things be confiscated? I would think that your issue would be with the actual outlawing, and not the confiscation of outlawed things. So you need to go somewhere else for recourse in that matter, because nobody is outlawing your guns. The registering is an attempt to help solve another matter.... and that is the tracking down of nutjobs who use these guns to randomly blow people away.

If guns get outlawed, yes, there's a bit of a paper trail involved. But I would think you would want to take that up with the people involved in outlawing them.

Maverick · « **Reply #48 on:** October 11, 2002, 10:09:10 PM »

QUOTE]Originally posted by Staga
IIRC in States you also have register-plates in your cars so Police can check out who's car was that which just run over a child.

Why are you having problems to put up a register for guns ?
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Staga,

Driving and owning a car is not a right in the Unites States.

The license is outside and visible for all to see, providing the perpetrator has not
a. obscured the plate
b stolen the car
c. stolen the plate.
d. made their own plate up. (yes people try to make a fake license plate, some are quite good)
All of which doesn't stop; the deaths of about 40,000 a year in the US alone. Now that registration thing worked there didn't it?

BTW driving on a suspended license, expired or fictitious license plate is very common. Another success story for licensing huh.

I ended up arresting the same guy 3 times in 2 weeks for DUI. He didn't have the right to drive, his PRIVELEDGES were REVOKED but he was still driving. Yepo it really stopped him didn't it. I supose we should have just taken the vehicles away from everyone to see that no one else gets hurt or killed in a traffic collision. That is the same damn thing that has been proposed and it will have the same damn results.

It isn't the tool that is the problem it's the prettythang using it. What's next? Just lock every one up?

It is neither right nor proper to punish many for the errors of the few or even the one. When this sinks in you MIGHT have a handle on what freedom means. Freedom does NOT equate to safety.

Fatty · « **Reply #49 on:** October 11, 2002, 10:12:48 PM »

Difference being you're talking about outlawing something that whether you agree or not is consitutionally protected you must at least aknowledge it is arguable. Given the steps that have followed registration in previous cases it is not reaching to be concerned that this will follow the same path.

So yes, the issue would be with outlawing them. Starting with the question of registration.

Maverick · « **Reply #50 on:** October 11, 2002, 10:18:36 PM »

Several decades ago the United States tried an experiment in legislating morality and "protecting" society. It was called prohibition. It took a constitutional ammendment to implement it and it resulted in the single largest lawless period in our history. We created instant felons out of the majority population in every state who openly flaunted the law. It was short sighted and simply stupid.

Hornet · « **Reply #51 on:** October 11, 2002, 11:10:06 PM »

wait...why are licenses bad for cars? Or am I missing a big part of this analogy?

Yeager · « **Reply #52 on:** October 11, 2002, 11:15:34 PM »

This freak could be using a civilian version of the M16 or a sporting rifle like the Ruger Mini-14. Hell....he could be using a military rifle purchased on the black market. He might be using a "varmint" rifle in .223 made by Remington or Winchester just as easily and probably a hell of a lot more effectively than some battlefield job. I cant see the difference between any of em. Just remember one thing. He is taking one shot at a time. There is nothing the Clinton assault weapon ban could have done to prevent this.

You can try and outlaw all guns. It will no stop this.

You can try and finger print all guns, it will not stop this.

Point is you cant stop this sort of cruel and human sickness by law. There will always be a workaround for the insane mind.

Crazy insane behavior has but one consequence in my mind, swift justice at the hands of law abiding people.

You can pass all the laws you want. This sort of thing cannot be regulated by law or man. This is a sick human mind, very very sick. It must be caught and dealt with swiftly....fat chance.

Just a side note: I own a 30 year old scoped Wichester model 722 in 308 caliber. This is your standard run-o-the mill deer gun and any man so inclined can easily kill another man with a single well timed shot out to 300 yards. I heard one of the killing shots was made at a distance of over 600 yards. A single killing shot at that distance with as small a round as the .223 deserves some recognition for marksmanship. Point is, any decent rifle with a scope is far more lethal to society than any pistol. Why? Because at the distances involved, the shooter can be highly concealed and quickly depart the neighborhood with little notice.
It has always been this way. The concealed shooter is simply more lethal. Find this person and kill him quickly, for everyones sake.

whgates3 · « **Reply #53 on:** October 12, 2002, 12:26:25 AM »

i hope the sniper wasnt inspired by the movie "Little Murders". i'd hate to see that flick vilified.
it was obviously satire

Thud · « **Reply #54 on:** October 12, 2002, 02:43:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
You can try and outlaw all guns. It will no stop this.

You can try and finger print all guns, it will not stop this.

Point is you cant stop this sort of cruel and human sickness by law. There will always be a workaround for the insane mind.

Crazy insane behavior has but one consequence in my mind, swift justice at the hands of law abiding people.

You can pass all the laws you want. This sort of thing cannot be regulated by law or man. This is a sick human mind, very very sick. It must be caught and dealt with swiftly....fat chance.

You're probably right about the assault guns ban, but everything else is the same gun-advocating BS that is so common with all the owners on this board and in general for that matter.

Maybe outlawing guns wouldn't have prevented this coward from doing all this, but it would have prevented thousands of other shootings. Don't come up with the retarded 'a car can kill too, so revoke all licenses' BS or 'a gun doesn't kill, it's the owner' stupidity. Every rational person acknowledges that when you are in the legal posession of firearms the treshold for using them is much lower, otherwise you'll have to go out on the black-market and purchase one, a relatively difficult and costly task for the average citizen in countries with proper gun laws.

I know this won't persuade you gun-morons, never has, never will probably, but I'll illustrate it with a factual example which can't be denied (the conclusion can, of course).

In the Netherlands firearms are not allowed in public, only on ranges with stringent screening and licensing. Generally you can say we've got the situation being referred to endlessly by the gun-advocates, generally only the criminals have guns. While at first it seems a bad situation in practice it's very acceptable, because virtually all shootings are between organized criminals in remote locations settling accounts etc. This means that domestic, traffic and all other sorts fights are all but solved without firearms, saving thousands of lives. Conclusion:

In a normal society firearms have no place except for game wardens and law enforcement etc.
And in such a society the self-protection argument is BS, as are all other arguments to have the public own guns.

Finally I would like to undermine my relatively coherent argument above by stating: F*ck the NRA, it's sick that a bunch of (semi)-criminal lobbyists have any kind of, let alone this kind of influence in a democratic society.

Monk · « **Reply #55 on:** October 12, 2002, 02:59:00 AM »

Guns are dangerous, they just get people killed.

easymo · « **Reply #56 on:** October 12, 2002, 03:30:40 AM »

How do you outlaw knowledge. I read a news report about terrorist a wile back. I was suprised to see a detailed explanation of how to build a bomb, using household items, contained in the report.

Convicts, under the strictest supervision, manage to build all kinds of things, that will kill a man. Including guns.

At the age of 14, I made a serviceable four ten shotgun. I used nothing but a toy airplane launcher and some pipe I found in the trash. It might not sound like much. But, a four ten, at close range, is more powerful than a .44 Magnum.

If this dips hit wants to kill people, he will find a way. The Internet is full of "how to" stuff of that kind.

funkedup · « **Reply #57 on:** October 12, 2002, 03:34:42 AM »

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F*ck the NRA, it's sick that a bunch of (semi)-criminal lobbyists have any kind of, let alone this kind of influence in a democratic society.

F*ck you right back.
I AM the NRA, b10tch.

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In a normal society firearms have no place except for game wardens and law enforcement etc.

Wow, nice brainwashing they've done on you.

Innominate · « **Reply #58 on:** October 12, 2002, 03:53:03 AM »

The NRA goes WAY overboard.

Personally, I believe any citizen without a criminal record should be able to purchase and own just about any firearm they please. But why the hell do people argue about waiting periods and registration? The government shouldn't tack on dozens of extra fees, but I don't see whats wrong with waiting for a background check, and registering the gun.

Let the law abiding citizens own guns if they please, provided they're registered, and have had background checks.

No matter what you do, the criminals will have guns. Outlawing them will only stop non-criminals from having them.

And ANYTHING with the potential for accidents will cause them. Cars, bicycles, kids toys, staircases, etc. Banning something based on accidental, or irresponsible usage is just stupid, unless you're also trying to outlaw cars.

Tumor · « **Reply #59 on:** October 12, 2002, 06:38:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
Any truth to the statement that registration records were used to confiscate guns in UK? I don't quite care enough to look it up, but it would be a very strong case against registration in my eyes.

Thats what I was thinkin Fatter....