Washington Sniper Has A Friend In Nra

[john9001]

you can't confiscate guns until you know who has what, so first you pass a registration law to help "stop crime " (hey, we register cars , don't we?) ,and all law abiding people will reg their guns,
 once you have the lists then you pass laws to confiscate the guns , "to help control crime" but not all at once , first it's "assualt rifles' then "hand guns , then hunting rifles , then shot guns , then paint ball and bb guns.

44MAG

[Cobra]

Originally posted by midnight Target


Kumbuya pipe...LOL I liked that one.

But Rip et-guntoting-al.

If this guy is using an M16 or M14 as reported, the gun and its ballistic signature could have been registered at the factory.

The Police would then have a place to start looking. Makes sense to me. Why would the NRA be opposed to this?

MT,
What's your stance on putting a tracking bracelet on every person who has been convicted of a violent crime and is released, through serving sentence, paroled, etc....

After all, they have shown a pre-disposition to committing a violent criminal act, and therefore should be registered and have there whereabouts immediately obtained and tracked whenever a crime has been committed.  

Now, the ACLU would fight this, and should the organization be demonized?  (btw, my answer is no).

After all, it is known that repeat offenders do exist.

Hell, forget known offenders....put a chip in everyone..afterall, people commit crimes, not guns!!  

This should make sense to you to MT, following your tracking analogy.  And it would be more affective...at the time of each shooting they can call up the stored records of all persons in the vicinity by their chip signal and match the times and places.

No, and neither should the NRA.  It is not the great satan.  Hell, to me, the great satan is the DNC and the RNC.  

Cobra

[mauser]

I was about to ask about the firearm-print thing, but those who responded answered it.  It didn't make sense to me that you could put a fingerprint to a gun b/c there are so many things that can be done to alter it, ands a lot of it is unintentional/coincidental.  The last time I shot was 10 years ago in my high school rifle team (uses .22LR match rifles), so I don't have firsthand knowledge of anything else.  But wouldn't shooting jacketed ammo leave copper deposits in the rifling? That would mess up a fingerprint a little.  If you run a rod down your bore and gorilla it and scratch the inside of your bore that would definitely change things.  Not to mention having work done on your barrel and chamber.  

I wouldn't mind registering a firearm, I'm pretty law abiding anyways.  However, if it gets stolen and used in a crime, the first person they would check would be me unless I found out it was stolen and reported it in time.  But after that lead has dried up (i.e. if I report it in time or they correctly find out it wasn't me), then what?  

I think the media should just report what's happening and leave the police and FBI to the theory part.  It seems the police would be better trained than most of the journalists out there in profiling, crime scene investigation, figuring out motives.  Some journalists seem to want to pass their opinions off as news...let the public think on their own.

mauser

[midnight Target]

Well Cobra, not so sure how you feel, but while some people may give their guns names and treat them like a best buddy, a gun still ain't a person.

So your analogy just won't hunt... get it?

[Cobra]

LOL...i get the hunt thing....which I do hunt.

And I fear anyone who gives inanimate objects (and some animate ones) names.  

My analogy is closer to hunting than you think.

And again, the gun is the instrument, the person is the real threat.

If your goal is to curb crime and catch those who commit crimes quicker and easier, than tracking the populace through chip implants is the answer to that goal.

I would never support this, btw.

It gets stickier when we decide to pick and choose.

Cobra

[Pongo]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
How about this: since the DC area has no CCW laws, or permits allowed, this makes that area MORE VULNERABLE to nut cases like this....in other words, if the public was armed, the chances are the sniper wouldn't take the risk of being shot by any Joe, Dick or Harry that happened to be walking by. Put that in your Kumbuya pipe and smoke it.

thats so stupid its indescribable

[N1kPaz]

i know what we could do....

lets just over react to this whole DC sniper thing and make the .223 round illegal..

i bet that would make all you bleeding heart liberals happy.

or better yet...lets blame Charleton Heston.

i would far rather take my chances getting sniped than have peace loving americans lose their rights because some smacked out whacko wants to ice people at the gas stations.

[Pongo]

Originally posted by Fatty
Any truth to the statement that registration records were used to confiscate guns in UK?  I don't quite care enough to look it up, but it would be a very strong case against registration in my eyes.

I believe it was one of the scandanavian countries.

[miko2d]

Originally posted by john9001 ... and bb guns.
 Already illegal in New york City.

Cobra: Now, the ACLU would fight this, and should the organization be demonized? (btw, my answer is no).
 They insist of adherence to the Law. If the law is modified accordingly they would not object. In several states criminals already forefeit certain rights permanently, including voting.

 miko

[SaburoS]

My take on it. I think the Criminal is using a bolt-action rifle. He probably bought it under the table (without registration) or stole it. He truly believes that he won't be caught (as do practically all criminals committing criminal acts). I feel he probably has collected .223 brass casings from a semi-auto (prob an AR15 type as that is the most popular type of its kind) at a gun range from an unsuspecting fellow shooter. He is probably planting a single casing at the scene before he shoots (to throw off investigations so that they target semi-auto owners). Since he is shooting only once per incident, he is not cycling his bolt to eject/reload. The actual casing is still with the rifle. The bolt action (dollar for dollar) is more accurate and reliable than the semi-auto. The bolt-action rifle is also not as bulky as your typical "assault" type rifle. This coward of a killer is probably a loner, a social retard. He needs to 'prove' himself (by far most likely male, not female.) in his distorted mind that he is not weak. Because he has led a sheltered life he has not known any real joy or happiness. I'd wager he never even actually had a meaningful relationship. Probably has been rejected his whole life by his 'peers', parents, and the women that he has tried to get to know better. Only now is he getting a 'rush' out of his pathetic existance of a life.
He won't stop as he's addicted to killing. Only hope that he gets stopped before he kills or wounds again.

[fdiron]

What if the weapon was stolen?  Time for the police and witnesses to get on the ball.

[Gman]

NEWS FLASH!

I had a thread a month ago about a pal who worked in  a gunshop in Ontario named John Fullerton who got blown away by some robbers.

I just posted a thread about a guy I do buisness with every week, an x cop who owns a gunshop, who was JUST shot in a robbery.

Canada has spent 1 BILLION dollars on a "gun registry" much like the one being kicked around here.  BTW, we haven't even BEGUN the process of registering the actual "firearms" really yet, other than restricted access stuff, this is the price for JUST the firearms possesion/aquisition licenses.

USA = 3x more guns per capita, and Canada has probably 15 million or more firearms by best estimates.  Think of the costs for the USA, especially since none of it has diddlyING WORKED HERE.

[Staga]

IIRC in States you also have register-plates in your cars so Police can check out who's car was that which just run over a child.

Why are you having problems to put up a register for guns ?

[Fatty]

Because it is far less likely for vehicles to be outlawed and then those registration records be used to confiscate them.

[funkedup]

WASHINGTON SNIPER HAS A FRIEND IN NRA

As an NRA member that lie really pisses me off.