Are you skilled - or just gaming the game?

[Urchin]

As far as I understand it, here goes.  

When you turn your engine OFF, it creates more drag than an "idling" engine because the propellor (which is not feathered, or turned into the wind, in either case) forces the engine to do... engine-stuff.  If the throttle is at idle but the engine is on, the engine provides its own power for the .... engine-stuff.  Manually lowering the RPM will REDUCE drag in either case ('idle' throttle or turning off engine).  

However, when your engine gets DAMAGED, or you lose your radiator or your oil and the engine seizes, the game "auto-feathers" your prop.  This makes it so the prop turns into the wind (and no, i don't understand what this means) to reduce drag.  THAT is why you will glide for a very long time when you take engine damage, but fall like a brick if you just turn your engine off.

[Wotan]

I think ht explained it in another thread

[Fariz]

Originally posted by Midnight
7. Vulching

This is a mainstay for some. Admittedly, many planes were shot down (or destroyed) while on the runway or just taking off / landing. in AH, cannon armed planes are better to vulch with because the probability of a pilot kill is greatly increased, so they can vulch while the target is still sitting. Planes armed with MGs have to wait until the target is going faster than 100MPH, so they get a kill and not end up just blowing off a wing and letting the player go back to tower with a successful landing.

Hand off vulching! That is the only way I can get kills.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Midnight
How many of you so-called 'skilled' players are actually gaming the game to get your high scores?

One example of 'gaming' is used a lot to either force overshoots, or prevent your plane from overshooting your target. Those of you who do it know what it is.

I try to fly my plane within the limits of what I understand to be physically possible with the airframe I have and the capacity of a human pilot.

So the question is, do you 'play it to the max' and game the game, or do you try to fly your plane in a way that is closer to how it could have actually been flown?

LOL Midnight! Bait seems spoiled but here goes nothing

Take a break. You're taking this game/sim waaay too seriously. After you get killed, do you stop playing? Do you check yourself into the hospital? Real life right?  You crack me up    LOL

[Wilbus]

Actually the advantage gained by killing your engine while pulling ACM in AH is not causing your enemy to overshoot. What it does gain you is the ability to turn harder if timed correctly. Your AC WILLl turn better with the engine cut. What I have seen is guys constantly cutting and restarting the engine in stall fights. It was amazingly effective in the fight between two P-47's that I witnessed.

That's just 100% discusting cheating

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by gatso

I am currently sitting at #1, I've been there for a week or so and yes you have to fly differently to maintain that rank. Does it reduce the fun? Maybe for some people

Blatent plug for LOOKY LOOKY how good are I!

LoL  we can smell that yer rank, no need to tell us.

Tommylee<<<<<<< unimpressed


P.S.  to answer your next reply, sure,sure this is not what you meant

[CavemanJ]

Originally posted by -ammo-


Actually the advantage gained by killing your engine while pulling ACM in AH is not  causing your enemy to overshoot. What it does gain you is the ability to turn harder if timed correctly.  Your AC WILLl turn better with the engine cut.  What I have seen is guys constantly cutting and restarting the engine in stall fights. It was amazingly effective  in the fight between two P-47's that I witnessed.

Yep, WldThing uses this trick in his pony alot.  Then he'll laugh at ya and call ya a no-skill dweeb, when he's the donuthead that's cheating and gaming the game.

Someone mentions a bug that makes it look as though the other guy's engine isn't running when it is.  That doesn't apply when you can hear the guy killin and restartin his engine

[Yeager]

However, when your engine gets DAMAGED, or you lose your radiator or your oil and the engine seizes, the game "auto-feathers" your prop.
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That makes perfect sense and validates my observation.  I suspect Ive herd this before but probably just miplaced the data.

Thnx

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Urchin
As far as I understand it, here goes.  

When you turn your engine OFF, it creates more drag than an "idling" engine because the propellor (which is not feathered, or turned into the wind, in either case) forces the engine to do... engine-stuff.  If the throttle is at idle but the engine is on, the engine provides its own power for the .... engine-stuff.  Manually lowering the RPM will REDUCE drag in either case ('idle' throttle or turning off engine).  

However, when your engine gets DAMAGED, or you lose your radiator or your oil and the engine seizes, the game "auto-feathers" your prop.  This makes it so the prop turns into the wind (and no, i don't understand what this means) to reduce drag.  THAT is why you will glide for a very long time when you take engine damage, but fall like a brick if you just turn your engine off.

Here's a supposedly true story coming from the 55th Fighter Group:

A section of 55th P-38s have finished their escort assignment and are heading home on the deck, shooting up anything they see. Suddenly over the radio they hear a panicstricken voice:

"Mayday, Mayday, I took a flak hit and I'm losing Prestone (coolant)!"

A P-38 pilot responds, "Calm down, go through your engine shut down checklist and secure the engine."

"SECURE THE ENGINE!?", the frightened pilots bellows.

"That's right, feather the prop and we'll escort you home." replies the P-38 jock in a calm, reassuring manner.

With mounting terror in his voice, the reply comes, "feather it my ass, I'm in a P-51!!!!"

My regards,

Widewing

[Rude]

Originally posted by CavemanJ


Yep, WldThing uses this trick in his pony alot.  Then he'll laugh at ya and call ya a no-skill dweeb, when he's the donuthead that's cheating and gaming the game.

Someone mentions a bug that makes it look as though the other guy's engine isn't running when it is.  That doesn't apply when you can hear the guy killin and restartin his engine

I would suspect Cave that you have been killed by him and can't do anything about it?

WT kills me consistently(for the time being) in the DA...I am aware that he kills his engine as well. at first I thought it was gamey, however, in RL an aircraft will restart immediately as long as the prop maintains rpm. the reason you did not see this done in RL combat, is the fear of the engine not restarting.

BTW Cave....WT does not cheat, he just outflies you. Get over it:)

[Samm]

I see this a lot in planes that are doing the LW flip flop flap and roll moves trying to cause an overshoot I guess. At low speed a windmilling prop should cause less drag then a powered high rpm prop . The only way it would cause more drag is from the controll surfaces you have to apply when your plane suddenly goes out of trim from the sudden absence of prop torque .

[Fatty]

Game gamers!

Just kill them, or die, quietly please.

[Midnight]

Here's a post I yanked from the KOTH forum, where this discussion originated. It was directed at WildTHing.. the full thred is at http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66790

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Because I HIGHLY doubt anyone would even consider doing it in the middle of combat. If I were about to be shot at, the last thing I would do is turn off my engine in hopes of making the attacker fly by. Even if I were successful in doing it, I would not want to worry about trying to instantly restart the engine 5 seconds later.

Anyone that says they would do it, I challenge to take up a real plane, shut down the engine, pull some sort of crazy maneuver (to simulate avoiding an attacking bandit) and then restart the engine again to continue flying.

Seeing as you fly the Mustang a lot, I am assuming you use this tactic in it as well. Bottom line, there is no way you would shut down a Merlin engine from full RPMs and Manifold pressure and then restart it again at full RPMs and Manifold pressure. No Way, No How.

Aside from blown transmission, busted piston seals, a bent crank shaft, backfiring in the exhaust headers and crushed booster vanes, the entire engine would be flooded out from too rich a fuel mixture. So, even if you hadn't destoryed the engine, it wouldn't start again until you got some more oxygen into the fuel/air mix.

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Here's the ignition sequence for the Mustang... Omit where stating cold engine, as we are obviously talking about restarting hot...

STARTING AND WARM-UP
Ignition switch OFF.

Have prop pulled through if it has been idle more than 2 hours.

Generator and battery switch ON, unless battery cart is being used, then battery switch OFF.

Throttle 1 inch open.

Mixture control in IDLE CUT-OFF.

Propeller control in INCREASED RPM.

Supercharger switch in AUTOMATIC.

Carburetor air control in RAM AIR.

Turn ignition switch to BOTH.

Fuel shut-off valve ON and fuel selector valve to Fuselage tank (if full), or Left Main tank if Fuselage tank not serviced.

Fuel booster pump on NORMAL and check for 8-12 pounds of fuel pressure.

Prime engine 3 to 4 shots when cold. 1 to 2 when warm.

See that prop is clear.

Lift guard on starter switch on pilot's switch panel and press switch to START. Caution in use of starter not to overheat.

As engine starts, move mixture control to AUTO RICH. If engine does not fire, after several turns, continue priming.
WARNING: When engine is not firing, mixture control should be in IDLE CUT-OFF.

Warm engine at approximately 1300 RPM. Check for constant oil pressure. If no oil pressure or low pressure after 30 seconds, shut off engine.

Check all instruments for proper readings.

Check hydraulic system operation by lowering and raising flaps.

Loading 800-850 pounds and unloading at 1050-1100 pounds.

Check communication equipment for proper operation.

Uncage all gyro instruments.

Check both LEFT and RIGHT MAIN and FUSELAGE fuel systems by rotating fuel selector valve with booster pump switch in EMERGENCY. Check for 14-19 lbs/sq. in. If drop tanks are installed, check fuel flow by rotating fuel selector control.

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Here is the shutdown procedure


Booster pump OFF>

Oil and coolant shutters OPEN.

Run engine to 1500 RPM, set mixture control to IDLE CUT-OFF and move throttle fully open.

Turn ignition switch OFF after propeller stops turning.

Fuel shut-off valve OFF.

Turn all switches OFF.

Lock controls.


Considering this, how many times would you shut down an engine (in combat)

Anyone that does this move to win a fight... My respect for your dog-fighting skills is gone.

[WldThing]

Yep, WldThing uses this trick in his pony alot. Then he'll laugh at ya and call ya a no-skill dweeb, when he's the donuthead that's cheating and gaming the game.

Talk with your guns Caveman.... Other than that you dont need to say anything else.

And me laughing at you would me an insult to my intelligence.

[Midnight]

Originally posted by poopster

Do you mean to say that, your cruising along at 3 bills and come across a Pony co-alt inbound...YOU DON'T TAKE IT ????????

I did not say that I never take the fight. If it's another P-51, the fight is definitely on. If it's an N1k, or LA7 or Spit... whatever it is, if the fight becomes a tail chasing turn fight, I just extend and forget about it. I know that the more I turn, the more I am giving away to the bandit and the more I am bleeding off E waiting for some other bandit to come into the fight and make it 2-v-1.

The Mustang is not a turn fighter, and in my experience, almost every 1-v-1 fight I have ever gotten into turns into a dive for the deck event as soon as one looses the advantage. If someone thinks I'm going to tail chase something like an LA7, N1K, 109G, Typhoon, Spit, 205 down below 5K then they will end up down low all by them self. I'll wait up above 10K and nail them when they try to climb back to altitude.

I really find it funny when LA7s try to riddicule me for not turn fighting with them on the deck. Let's put the hard-deck at 15K and see how many La7s what to stick around and fight a Mustang.