Are you skilled - or just gaming the game?

[Fatty]

My respect for your dog-fighting skills is gone.

Heh!  That's the funniest thing I've seen yet today.

[lazs2]

I think what he is trying to say is.... "I fly one of the fastest planes in the game and do it with friends who fly the same planes and we allways have an alt advantage but it takes us a long time to get there and then when we try to B&Z all the slow planes they.... get out of the way and it's killing my K/hour and because it looks like I suck then no body knows how good I really am..."

general Lazs
Public relations officer for the BK's

[Wilbus]

I see this a lot in planes that are doing the LW flip flop flap and roll moves trying to cause an overshoot I guess. At low speed a windmilling prop should cause less drag then a powered high rpm prop . The only way it would cause more drag is from the controll surfaces you have to apply when your plane suddenly goes out of trim from the sudden absence of prop torque .

LW Flip Flop? Hell, I see just as many allied planes that do it.

[Midnight]

Originally posted by lazs2
I think what he is trying to say is.... "I fly one of the fastest planes in the game and do it with friends who fly the same planes and we allways have an alt advantage but it takes us a long time to get there and then when we try to B&Z all the slow planes they.... get out of the way and it's killing my K/hour and because it looks like I suck then no body knows how good I really am..."

general Lazs
Public relations officer for the BK's

No lazs. I said what I was trying to say, but thanks for trying to interpret for me

Obviously you still have not watched the film I posted for you, ubt I expected that. I know you are too lazy (by your own admission on several posts) to do anything that might expand your knowledge or provide a different viewpoint than what your narrow-mindedness can produce.

Aside from that, I have already conceded to the K/T aurgument and have decided the best way to accomplish my goal is to either modify my flying or change my perception of what is important. I guess you didn't realize that however, because it would have taken you too much time to actually read and understand what I said.

It's smart-mouth, low-brow comments from people like you that make constructive debates turn into mud slinging contests. Do me a favor and take your imbecility somewhere else.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Midnight
Obviously you still have not watched the film I posted for you, ubt I expected that. I know you are too lazy (by your own admission on several posts) to do anything that might expand your knowledge or provide a different viewpoint than what your narrow-mindedness can produce.

[/B]

With all due respect, your film shows exactly what Lazs is talking about.  Yes, you engage vastly superior numbers, but you do so with easily an 8-10k alt advantage at the start, and based on what I saw in the AH Film Viewer, you manage to maintain anywhere from a 100-200mph speed advantage on every plane that is co-alt with you.

You were attacking bad odds, but you were doing so from a position of extreme advantage.  While I wouldn't call that "timid" per se, I wouldn't point to it as absolute bravery either.

Aside from that, I have already conceded to the K/T aurgument and have decided the best way to accomplish my goal is to either modify my flying or change my perception of what is important. I guess you didn't realize that however, because it would have taken you too much time to actually read and understand what I said.

[/B]

The best thing you can do is just change your perception of what's important.  In other words, stop worrying about how K/T negatively impactis on your overall rank, and instead just focus on those stats that matter to you personally.  If you don't think K/T is important, then don't pay attention to it.  By the same token, you must expect that people who do consider it important want it to remain.

[lazs2]

that's what i got out of the film and more importantly, that is what I get out of watdching you in the arena.

Why do I care?   well... I would say that because.... based on what you consider to be the correct way to fly, anything that you think would be a good idea is boud to screw up the arena.   I think that you would probly enjoy a backstep to version 1.03.

Look at it this way.... what would I get out of more people flying like you do vs less of you in the arena.   The less of you and your ilk works out best for me every time.   Less dodgeball and more fights is a plus for me.  
lazs

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Rude


WT kills me consistently(for the time being) in the DA...I am aware that he kills his engine as well. at first I thought it was gamey, however, in RL an aircraft will restart immediately as long as the prop maintains rpm. the reason you did not see this done in RL combat, is the fear of the engine not restarting.

Rude, that simply is not the case. I have in excess of 2,000 hours sitting behind the R-2800 and R-1820. There’s only two ways to suddenly shut off an engine in flight. Moving the mixture to Idle Cut-off or switching off the magnetos. Forget the first one. It would take way too long to shut down and restart using the mixture. This leaves the master mag switch. Yeah you can switch off the mag, but when you switch it back on, one or more of the following WILL occur.

1) Fouled spark plugs due to unburned fuel and/or oil wetting. Assuming most plugs fire, you will still have a misfiring engine and will be down on power. Merlins were notorious for plug fouling at cruise power settings. Pilots would routinely run the engine at military power for several minutes to clear the plugs.
2) Backfire. Frequently destructive to the engine, often blowing exhaust stacks right off.
3) Flooding. Plugs are so wet from unburned fuel that there is no spark. Net result: Dead engine.

Finally, any pilot discovered doing this by his crew chief could expect a close encounter with a ball peen hammer.  

My regards,

Widewing

[Seeker]

Irrelevant off topic anecdote:

When racing two strokes; I found it quicker to gently press against the gear lever and jab at the kill switch to change gear than doing it "properly". In fact, it was (is?) a common technique.

I tried it when I moved over to four strokes and broke my GPz.


Multicylinder four strokes just do not take kindly to this type of behaviour.


You'd no more hear of Galland or Malan doing it than you would Shumi.


Give your self a laugh. Try it on the way home in the car tonight.

[midnight Target]

Soooooo....

Anyone flying a Japanese plane constructed after 1944 must fly as if he were an untrained 18 yr old.

No one will be allowed more than 25 missions in a B-17... after that you must log and go home.

All luftwabbles are required to fly until you die.

All AHers are required to hold their breath and or hyperventilate until black-out occurs whenever the g-meter exceeds 5.

If you bail over enemy territory you will be required to lock yourself in your closet for the duration. (tunnels are allowed)

 OR


you can just enjoy the game.

[Midnight]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying


With all due respect, your film shows exactly what Lazs is talking about. Yes, you engage vastly superior numbers, but you do so with easily an 8-10k alt advantage at the start, and based on what I saw in the AH Film Viewer, you manage to maintain anywhere from a 100-200mph speed advantage on every plane that is co-alt with you.

You were attacking bad odds, but you were doing so from a position of extreme advantage. While I wouldn't call that "timid" per se, I wouldn't point to it as absolute bravery either. [/B]

So what am I supposed to do? Fly the Mustang against superior numbers in a Co-E state? Yeah.. that would mean me being shot down instead of them. Maybe if I was in an N1K I would have started turn fighting everything.

I think the perception of flying fast being cowardly is misplaced. A Mustang is just not going to win a turn fight in a Co-E situation unless it's against a P-47 or another Mustang, or equally poor turning aircraft.

It's funny.. newbies are called dweebs when they try to turn-fight Mustangs against a spit, and guys like me are called cowards when we use the Mustang's strengths to win.

[Drex]

This has nothing to do with realism, cutting engines, blah blah blah.  It has everything to do with fame or shame.    

Drex

[lazs2]

I think the perception that being skilled is flying only the fastest plane all the time in an arena of slow ones is misplaced.
lazs

[Drex]

A Mustang is just not going to win a turn fight in a Co-E situation unless it's against a P-47 or another Mustang, or equally poor turning aircraft.

Don't agree.  There are to many variables in combat to give a definitive statement like that.  It can be easily disproven.


Drex

[Urchin]

I'm not sure if it has a 'dramatic' effect on a knife-fight or not, but I'm pretty sure it does have one.  Does it aggravate me a little?  Well, sure, I guess it does.  Will most people grasp at any little straw that gives them an advantage?  Yes, so I can't really fault those that turn their engines off and on repeatedly in a knife-fight.  Am I ever going to do it?  No, it just strikes me as 'gamey' behaviour.  Does that mean that I'm 'right' and the people that do it are 'wrong'?  Nope.

[Nifty]

Originally posted by Urchin
Does that mean that I'm 'right' and the people that do it are 'wrong'?  Nope.

nope.  it just means that the something is modelled in the game that wasn't possible in real life (or at the very least was very detrimental to continued full-powered flight.)  If it's in the game, it can be used, IMO.  If HTC thinks this is a gamey issue, all they have to do is remove the ability to restart the engine in flight.

I personally don't toggle my engine in a fight.  I will toggle my engine to conserve fuel so I don't have to fight a deadstick landing.  If I lose my radiator, I will turn the engine on and off to keep from overheating on the way home.  

I would rather stay at full power and force an overshoot through displacement and out of plane manuevers than cutting my engine.  If that doesn't work, yeah, I'll chop the throttle, kick the rudder hard and pop a notch of flap.  If someone else wants to kill their engine instead, well more power to them.  Or would that be less power to them?