Please, perk the Dora

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Um.  


F4U-4 has 16 Kills of Fw 190D-9
Fw 190D-9 has 8 Kills of F4U-4


-- Todd/Leviathn

heehee I got 5 of those myself.  It was pure joy to face those speed demons in an AC that was a match for it.

[GScholz]

I would like to see most planes perked in the MA, starting with the mid-war models being perked at 1-5 points and increasing as they become more uber.

Saying that the late-war models shouldn't be perked because the early-war models didn't win the war is nonsense. The Spit's and Hurri's won the war in 1940. The Lagg-3's and Yak-1 and 3's in 1941. The P40's and F4F's in 1942. If not for these planes and the men who flew them we would all be speaking German or Japanese.

Taking advantage of the perkpoint system we could have a MA where a lot of the wonderfully diverse and interesting early to mid war aircraft were used more. We could still fly the late war torque-monsters, just don't loose them quite as often. This would solve the problem with the Typhoon suicide-dweebs as well.

[GScholz]

Also saying "it's the man, not the machine" is also nonsensical. Surly an excellent pilot in a 109E4 can beat a novice in a P51, but given close to equal skill it's all the machine ... and luck.

[J_A_B]

"Saying that the late-war models shouldn't be perked because the early-war models didn't win the war is nonsense. "


That's not the point.  The point is--how many people will simply quit AH if you take away the option for them to fly what they want?  I would, for one, and I know I'm not alone in that opinion.

Look at numbers in WB's (and older and more established game than AH) compared to here.   More and more restrictions invariably reduces player base; having more options increases player base.

IMO what AH needs to do is move away from the "one MA all the time" concept.

J_A_B

[GScholz]

I understand your concerns, but I don't think giving mid to late war models low perkpoint costs will rob people of their favorite planes. I get the impression that most pilots that have some time in the game have hundreds of perkpoints, some have thousands ... why? Because the perkpoint system isn't being utilized properly. I honestly think the current MA setup robs people of the enjoyment of flying the planes they WOULD like to fly, because I don't think there are THAT many LA-7 fans out there. I bet most La-7 drivers feels forced to up the La-7 because so many others do, and with it they stand a greater chance of survival in that environment.

That said, I rarely fly the LA-7 anymore, but I have to pick my fights carefully. I would like to be part of a more active sqd so we could use team tactics to even out the score, but unfortunately I'm not. Luckily I enjoy long flights, climbing to my target area, lurking outside radar range to bounce on unwary pray. But for the average players who perhaps don't have the time to spend half an hour setting up for a fight, there is really no alternative to the uber-planes. Unless they are uber-pilots, or enjoy getting shot down a lot.

[Innominate]

Hmm.

First, I fly both of the p40s on occaasion, rarely though, for two main reasons.  The ENY is WAY too low(40 for a plane that is only above the 234 and boston in the kill counts!, 35 for the one that just edges out the 202!)  It doesn't help to have only the early war planes lack an "Attack" scoring option, which means those who care about thier score don't have much of an option to fly them.

The problem with the la7 isn't actually it's speed.  The dora will dominate the la7 perked or not, because they're completly different planes.  The dora is not an easy plane to fly, and because of that it mostly flown by better pilots.  It may be fast, but it's level accelleration is marginal at best.

What makes the la7 weak is that it's usually fllown at low alts, making it fairly vulnerable to attacks from above.
What makes it strong is that, at those low alts, the la7 is able to engage in turn fights, roll out of it, and accellerate away from the fight, without trouble.  The la7's speed, and turning ability is important, but it's the awesome accelleration next to it that makes it so lethal, and often so frustrating.


The dora may be fast, it may be excellent and uncatchable as a bnz plane, but it doesn't have the same abilities of the la7 in any way, shape, or form.  The only way to justify perking the dora is to bring down the standard for perk planes, and perk all of the 1944 monsters.

[DB603]

S!


 Just remove ALL German and Russian planes from the plane set, that should do it, and the Niki of course;):DIMO Dora is not an Uber-plane if not flown as it should be using B&Z and such.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by robsan

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"The La7, N1K2 and the other so-called 'uber' planes don't disrupt the game balance of the arena"
Really?[/B]

Give me one example where the La7 or the N1K2 tip the game balance unfavorably?  

"Most of the guys that fly these planes suck anyways and are easy to kill.
Because when you get down to it, it's the pilot and not the plane but some seem not to realize that."
Really? 25721 minus 21063 equals 4658. That's 4658 kills plus for the La-7.

I'm with Pepe and Oboe on this one. [/B]

All that really proves is that it's one of the favored rides in the arena.  If you want a good indicator, look at some of the better pilot scores like Leviathn's.  He's 40-7 against the La7 and 55-10 against the N1K2, all while flying the Spitfire V.  So if an early war plane that is inferior to one of the 'uber' planes has such a kill record against them, then it only leads one to see that when it comes down to it, it is the pilot and not the plane.  EVen I have a winning record over both the La7 and N1K2 and I fly the P-38L, another supposedly inferior plane to the two 'uber' planes.



Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack


I think perks are given to planes that would disrupt the game balance in the arena.  The La7, N1K2 and the other so-called 'uber' planes don't disrupt the game balance of the arena and shouldn't be perked.  Who cares if 6 out of 10 guys fly the La7 or some other 'uber' plane?  Most of the guys that fly these planes suck anyways and are easy to kill.  Because when you get down to it, it's the pilot and not the plane but some seem not to realize that.  


Ack-Ack

Balance? What balance? Tonight... 67 Rooks, 125 Bishop, and 128 Knits.

Balance... uh huh... sure.

[GScholz]

LOL! DB603  Innominate and DB603 are right. The La-7's strength is not that it's especially good at catching others, but it's phenomenal ability to get out of trouble (which novice pilots always blunder into). And let's face it ... surviving and landing a few kills is what we all want to do. The Dora is superior if flow correctly, but it bleeds E badly in turns and can't accelerate out of trouble like the La-7. It's more WORK flying the Dora.

[GScholz]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack


.  EVen I have a winning record over both the La7 and N1K2 and I fly the P-38L, another supposedly inferior plane to the two 'uber' planes.

The La-7 is a favorite with the novice pilots because of its survivability. That you get more of them than they of you only complement your skill . Face an average pilot like me (I don't presume to be more) in a La-7 1-on-1 in your P38 and I can (almost) guarantee I will ruin your day.

[GScholz]

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[GScholz]

The more experienced pilots seldom fly alone, while novices usually fly alone in a crowd. You can't take statistics like Leviathn's godlike 40-7 score against the La-7 as if they were all 1on1. A La-7 will own a Spit V in a 1on1. Two Spit V's vs. one La-7 is another matter entirely.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM


Balance? What balance? Tonight... 67 Rooks, 125 Bishop, and 128 Knits.

Balance... uh huh... sure.

But that has nothing to do with the a certain plane causing one country having low numbers.

Ack-Ack

[Urchin]

La-7s the best plane in the MA, hands down, bar none.  That said, the pilots in question are often somewhat lacking in the skill department, which allows a better pilot in a somewhat inferior plane a shot at killing them.  

Good pilots in the La-7 are few and far between, because if they chose to fly it there wouldn't be much of challenge in the game.