Author Topic: Why the La7 is so Uber(important) (Read 2456 times)

F4UDOA · « **Reply #75 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:04:19 PM »

Your link isn't working.

Would like to see what ya got.

niklas · « **Reply #76 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:04:56 PM »

good data Tilt.

2400 rpm isn´t even WEP, and flight time is already below 40minutes.
Oh well those big radial engines were thursty

niklas

ra · « **Reply #77 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:32:35 PM »

FWIW, when AH was first released the planes with small fuel capacity, like the 109 and the La-5, had very short endurance. You needed to grab full fuel and a drop tank in the 109, even then the endurance was very short. Somewhere along the line an adjustment was made, and internal fuel capacity became less of a limiting factor. It could be that the fuel multiplier penalizes planes with large fuel tanks more than it does planes with small fuel tanks. That would explain why the Mossie has such crap range, for example.

I think F4UDOA is on to something here, but it might not be a bug. It may be the way HTC decided to handle endurance differences without making the small planes unappealling because of their limited flying time.

ra

F4UDOA · « **Reply #78 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:45:00 PM »

CC Niklas,

I think this closes the case.

Fuel consumption is even higher than I thought.

35 minutes flight duration in Mil power for the LA7 at sea level.

That is nearly half of the fligth time of the F6F. That means that all other A/C in AH are flying at a burn multiplier of 2:1 and the La-7 is almost 1 to 1.

Feels good to be right for a change.

Anyone have Spit and 109 numbers for Mil power?

Spritle · « **Reply #79 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:57:31 PM »

F4UDOA,

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Feels good to be right for a change.

Sure does.

Spritle

Tilt · « **Reply #80 on:** November 04, 2002, 01:38:07 PM »

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Originally posted by ra
FWIW, when AH was first released the planes with small fuel capacity, like the 109 and the La-5, had very short endurance.

In fact the La5FN had a combat endurance (2400 rpm) of 40 minutes............... giving it some 120 km greater range than the La7 under normal test conditions.

HoHun · « **Reply #81 on:** November 04, 2002, 02:39:55 PM »

Hi Tilt,

>In fact the La5FN had a combat endurance (2400 rpm) of 40 minutes............... giving it some 120 km greater range than the La7 under normal test conditions.

Surprising! What were the reasons for that?

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

F4UDOA · « **Reply #82 on:** November 04, 2002, 03:18:44 PM »

RA,

I missed your post when you put it up.

But I think your absolutely right about HTC deciding to handle the fuel consumption issue by just leveling the field. What they have done in effect by doing that is create a fleet of small superplanes.

When people complain about their performance the response is something like these.

1. The La-7 is a low altitude fighter and your fighting at it's best height.

2. The Spitfire was the best dogfighter of it's time.

or my favorite.

3. The NIK2 really was the best PAC fighter. The Japanese just didn't have any pilots.

When the real answer is.

We decided to make you fly your F6F towing a Volkswagon to level the playing field against the shorter range fighters.

Pongo · « **Reply #83 on:** November 04, 2002, 03:22:03 PM »

I think the damaged fuel effect should be in gallons not percentage. Why penalize the guys with smaller tanks?
Change it from
no droptank
75%
50%
25%

to

Full
300gallons
200 gallons
100 gallons

ergRTC · « **Reply #84 on:** November 04, 2002, 03:35:59 PM »

Great thread you guys. Cant believe it didnt turn into the crap we are all used to. I hope pyro and hitech pay attention to this. You may want to put your data together very well and post it in a new thread that is not 2 pages long, with a very catchy title....

This could really improve game play if they accept this.

Tilt · « **Reply #85 on:** November 04, 2002, 05:09:09 PM »

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Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Tilt,

>In fact the La5FN had a combat endurance (2400 rpm) of 40 minutes............... giving it some 120 km greater range than the La7 under normal test conditions.

Surprising! What were the reasons for that?

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Early La5 fns were fitted with only 3 of the 5 tanks fitted in the original La 5 this infact reduced range to circa 500Km..... with the advent of the metal sparred La5FN they introduced 4 tank set ups (2 x 168 L & 2 x 148 L) totalling 632 L . Air intake clutter at the wing roots and attempts to lighten the fuel load forced the La 7 back to 3 tanks ( 460/470 L).

Pollock · « **Reply #86 on:** November 04, 2002, 05:45:50 PM »

We are so ready for engine management to be added to the playpen I mean main arena. Imagine how funny it would be when you see quakers popping engines left and right because the keep there throttles pegged.

214thCavalier · « **Reply #87 on:** November 04, 2002, 06:25:08 PM »

Useful info there Tilt thanks for posting it.
Btw do you know the actual power rating at Mil ?

Tilt your info here http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/Engine.html
take the sea level one for example at 2400 and 1000 Mercury gives a fuel consumption of 310 L/Hr.

Assuming thats meant to be Litres per hour that equates to approx 82 US Gallons an hour.

Cant be true at the quoted engine settings, from the rest of the data you have now posted here thats roughly twice as efficient as it actually is, mebbe you got a typo in there or it was not in Litres.

Tilt · « **Reply #88 on:** November 04, 2002, 07:08:01 PM »

Any Russian speakers amongst us?

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #89 on:** November 04, 2002, 07:54:10 PM »

Just a note about plane's uberness.
Actually more than 75% of players never think about returning to base. So, their rides will fight with less than half the normal fuel load. And more than half of these players are flying already uber planes like La7s or Spits.

Basically, you will keep seeing incredible turns, acceleration, climbs, etc whatever the fuel consumption rate of the plane.

If you fight vs a spit or La7 loaded with 75% of fuel you will see incredible moves and E retention, but if you fight a spit or La7 loaded with 25% of fuel you are actually fighting an ufo.