Bring the Ki.84-I Hayate "Frank" to Aces High

[Odee]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Great.
 
 400mph plane that turns tighter than a Spitfire.

 ...

 Can't wait to see it in the MA!

Someone said the N1K2 was better than the F6F?  I'd sure like to know in what manner it is "better" other than maybe MAYBE in weaponry?

But this could be mistaken for a whine and I'll let it drop here and now.

[Mitsu]

Bump.





















Show me the Shoki!

[Kaz]

I don't understand all the talk about the Ki84 being "uber". It was (from what I've read) a closer match for the P51D than any other Japanese Fighter.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Kaz
I don't understand all the talk about the Ki84 being "uber". It was (from what I've read) a closer match for the P51D than any other Japanese Fighter.

Aside from sturctural limitations do e to strategic bombing / insufficient resources, the Ki was probably the best all around fighter in WW@, and no I am not making this up. It could do many things, from BnZ to stall fighting. It's more armored than the spit9 (which is still rather lame), faster / better turner than the corsairs save the F4U-4, and packed a good punch.

Its limitations were poor accelleration, which means BIG problems in a dive-out situation, and couldnt spiral climb with the corsair, and tended to hang on its props. It also had poor fuel economy, and once the cannons were gone (in the earlier models) her punch was weak, bigtime.

Not uber by any means, but uber relies primarily on flying the plane...any plane...on edge.

Any plane can be a monster in the right hands. I think most AH pilots...myself included...don't take the time (or dont have the time) to get to learn a given ride's vices and virtues....I stick with the few I know, and select from there.

PS..UNPERK ME!

[Odee]

Well that makes sense, Redtail... Thanks.

Now the question remains; will AH give the 84 a sporting chance, or is the 84 going to be hamstrung???

[Kaz]

Yep thanks for your take on it Red Tail. Btw is that the u-4 or -1c? can't see the guns from that angle so how would the more knowledgeable tell them apart?

oh p.s. Ki84 mmmm we want it we need it we gotta have it unperked hehee.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Kaz
Yep thanks for your take on it Red Tail. Btw is that the u-4 or -1c?

I was referring to the early production model, 1c, , and I have no experience flying the later versions. The early Ki was nasty enough, so the later versions would be true monsters if modeled properly..the earlier Ki could also turn inside the spit9, as well as outrun it.  I would assume the later versions are sacrificing manuverability with armarment and top end speed, but I may be wrong in this regard...someone check my 6 on this one!

I also think all Japanese rides should go unperked, because there's enough planes in the set to give the IJN/IJAAF contingent a handful, and since most Japanese rides can not effectively run from an engagement, a perk would be inappropriate, IMO.

[Karnak]

So far we have the B5N2, Tiger I, P-51D redux and Me163 coming in 1.11.

The only one of these that will see a lot of use in the MA is the P-51D, which isn't really a new aircraft (though it does look gorgeous).

The B5N2 is a death trap in scenarios, in the MA it would be absolutely helpless.  As in the case of all early war units, it will see basically no use in the MA. The B5N2 will be somewhat useful in scenarios and CT setups.

The Tiger I will be perked.  As with all perk units it will see essenetially no use in the MA.  The Tiger I will be useful in scenarios and CT setups to give the Germans the edge they had in tank quality by giving the US / UK the PnZ IV H and the Germans both the PnZ IV H and Tiger I.

The Me163 will only be positioned (as I understand it) near the HQ to ward off bomber attacks.  As bomber attacks hardly ever occur, and are less than a threat when they do, the Me163 will mostly sit in the hanger waiting for a threat that simply isn't present in AH.  The Me163 is essentially useless in scenarios and the CT.


The Ki.84-I would be tremendously useful in both the MA and in scenarios and the CT.  I cannont think of any other aicraft that can make that claim.  The Ki.84 isn't good enough to warrant perking and yet it is very good which means that it will get used in the MA.  In the context of scenarios and CT setups the Ki.84 would be useful as a very common late war Japanese fighter.  It served for more than a year of wartime (something the Fw190D-9 and Tempest Mk V cannot claim) and 3,514 were built, the third highest total of any Japanese fighter.  It was not a rare production wonder bird like the N1K2-J.

IMO, the Ki.84-I would be, in terms of player hours spent using it, one of the, if not the, best investments in effort HTC could make.

[Urchin]

I'm trying to decide whether or not the Ki-84 will be perked.  It seems like the P-51D and the La-7 are the 'ceiling' for performance.  Anything that matches and/or beats them in certain areas seems to be perked.  Not even overall utility, in my opinion, or the Ta-152, Spit XIV, and F4U-4 wouldn't be perked.

Be interesting to see if the Ki-84 is introduced as a perk plane.

[Red Tail 444]

I see no reason, or need, to perk a plane from a country that has poor representation in AH in the first place. Regardig numbers, there are far more planes that need to be perked, if we rely on production numbers / performance as selection criteria

[Turbot]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
there are far more planes that need to be perked, if we rely on production numbers / performance as selection criteria

Which of course they do not.  Perking is only done to try to achieve a certain play balance.  Any parallel with production numbers is coincidental.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Turbot
Which of course they do not.  Perking is only done to try to achieve a certain play balance.  Any parallel with production numbers is coincidental.

Wouldn't be bad (here we go, thread hijack) to have a rolling perk planeset..ok...I'm done

[Shane]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Wouldn't be bad (here we go, thread hijack) to have a rolling perk planeset..ok...I'm done

for MA?  bleah! not no way no how. dead horse, you can stop kicking it now.

one kind of exists in the CT.

[Karnak]

Back to the top.

[Kaz]

Ever hear that joke about the Ki84 pilot and the p51 pilot in the bar.....no, I haven't heard it either