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Offline Dago

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« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2000, 12:03:00 AM »
bit my tongue and took back what i wrote.

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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2000, 12:11:00 AM »
When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is STOP Digging!

Thank You and Good Night.

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PS. I just like to fly these silly sims/games and have fun.  AH is fun.

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« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2000, 12:12:00 AM »
It's only been out one day, but still I wonder if anyone reads the "News, Announcements, etc." Forum? Or the Readme file the comes with a new version? I'm not gonna "quote" it, but to summarize quickly, it stated that some FM's may still have issues to be worked out with the all around changes that were made! For heavens sake just post what you think is wrong, open a dialog, don't let the 'clever remarks' on channel one piss you off, any one use .squelch? I do when I get pissed, makes it a whole lot more tolerable these days, and I sure don't care what some people think about me, I just let my guns do the talking or die trying  

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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2000, 12:18:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by funked:
Tac how would combat trim mess up your turn fight?

In the turn fights I got myself into, with flaps deployed and full rudder, the CT tried to center my plane the very moment I let go off the rudder key... causing some really nasty spins and some quite embarrasing augers. So just turn it off before you turn fight (by tapping the elevator manual trim key once, no biggie). Tried the same kind of turn fights with the CT off (some of them much tighter turns and stuff) and never did the plane spin when I let go off the rudder.


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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2000, 12:39:00 AM »
 I think nath is a good pilot. IMHO the problem for some, is what good is it to be a top pilot in an arcade sim. This may be what he is getting at. I dont know (and dont much care) who the top guys are in FA, for example.

 I found myself turnfighting spit v,s with a nik tonight. and holding my own. I shouldnt be able to do that, Im not that good. This has gotten way to easy.

 On the up side. the endless stream of G-10,s came to an abrupt halt

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« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2000, 01:18:00 AM »
  Neg Easymo,
If youre referring to our fight -you ARE that good.You are the best virtual pilot I've come across H2H.I was the spit5 pilot and I came in with too much speed.Being an angle fighter,I dont usually have an E advantage.That whole fight I was pulling G's to the point of blacking out a few times and losing sight.My mistake-I should have relaxed G and went into lag pursuit which would eventually have brought me to the advantage. Please don't allow my poor judgement and your fine flying to sway your judgement of this new FM.At first glance,I have to say I like it alot!It allows the BnZer to get the kill still(if he is patient and experienced).The angle fighter that has learned the art of the reversal will most benefit from the new FM.Anyone who knows my style knows the smile on my face .
 Having never flown in the actual conflict-I can only make the best of the simulations I am afforded.AH is,to me,the finest WW2 sim to date and obviously driven to keep pushing the envelope.
 So long Nath,I sure did enjoy our 1 fight in AH.

     By-Tor

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« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2000, 01:48:00 AM »
as always ht will listen to everybody and try to make things right. all that is needed is patience. we should feel lucky to have input int this sim.

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« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2000, 01:53:00 AM »
No se preocupe de él, RAM.  Es justo que pienso que cada uno en el mA es como " mí tiene gusto de él, cualquier persona otro quién no lo hace es un gimoteo importante."
 

I didn't want to say that in English cause I'd might get some death threats, but anyway....everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That's where the "freedom of speech" comes in. The MA isn't a government (at least I think not), it doesn't have it's own laws or rights, so no one can say "You can't say that or it's a whine" People say this cause in their mind the person just, like RAM said, commited major heresy and went against HTC and so therefor is a traitor. So these people try to think of a biting remark, and "whiner" is a real good one. Listen, if someone calls you a whiner, and I'm talking to everyone, just ignore them..cause you know yer entitled to your own opinion.

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« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2000, 02:16:00 AM »
What llbm_MOL said.

BnZ still will work, its just not an almost certain thing now.  He has to do it correctly.

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« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2000, 02:48:00 AM »
Nath, RAM, whoever...  Before you quit, stick around for a while and give yourself a chance to learn the new FM.

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« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2000, 02:52:00 AM »
Give me a reason to funked... prove to me in my other thread that its realistic... I can't find myself playing this game if the FM isnt realistic. It seems like every plane flies so easily compared to before... not just in turns, but everything, stalls for one.

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« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2000, 03:04:00 AM »
 By-tor. Not to drag this out. You gave me the useual, rip the joystick out of its base, fights. (S). However during the course of the evening, I took down 20 or 30 spits, with my nik. Granted, a lot of newbies. But there were more than a few known players in the pile.

 Im not trying to sound like im raggin on AH. But I havent read a post, by anybody who has been around awile, claiming this version is harder. That means it went the other way.

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« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2000, 03:14:00 AM »
I'm not going to prove to you that the current model is realistic.  Mathematical modeling is part of my job and one thing you learn real quick is that NO mathematical model is EVER complete.  There is always something you can't model or choose not to model.  ALWAYS.

But I am convinced that the old model had significant room for improvement.  I'm not going to present a proof here.  The information has been discussed ad naseum on this BBS over the last 6 months.

Use the search feature on the aircraft forum.  We went over historical data on sustained turn rates on the old threads. Clearly AH was off the mark there, although I didn't think it was enough to gripe about.  Recently Aper posted some Spitfire Mk. IX test data that suggested the old FM was further off than I thought.  Then check out Badboy's post on the P-51D EM diagram.  In combination these items are quite convincing to me that something was amiss in the old lift and drag calculations.  The planes were simply not performing up to snuff in sustained G or turn rate.

Add to this all of the subjective information - pilot anectdotes and head to head historical flight tests showing different relative turning abilities than what were found in the old AH planes.  There have been dozens of posts containing such information.  I find these comparisons less than convincing some times, because of the human factor, but in this case they generally support the hard data.  Ask F4UDOA about this, he has some awesome sources.

Also look at it from an analytical standpoint.  Compare the wing loading, power loading, etc. of the P-47D, Fw 190A-8, and Typhoon - all very similar.  But the planes had hugely different turn capability in pre-1.04 AH versions, which doesn't make much physics sense.  Ask Wells about this.  He's forgotten more aerodynamics than I have ever learned, and his calculations show that the old AH planes had unreasonable lift:drag ratios at high angles of attack.

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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2000, 04:48:00 AM »
I dunno RAM perhaps people remember the ammount of whining you did about CT with not a shred of information about it, just whining on rumours.

OK you don't like the FM, you're not whining just expressing your opinion but why should the majority just sit there and take everything you have to say as gospel? there are two sides to every argument if you can't handle people arguing the other side of the FM debate then perhaps public forums are not the place for you. Give the FM's a try...why are people so quick to just throw the towel in because of one feature..geez this place is getting more like AGW every day!

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« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2000, 05:16:00 AM »
i think this is my last tour within AH.

after seeing AH'FM in the past i hated the
FM of WB.
and now, AH=WB=hate.

HT, think you can cancel all pure B&Z planes
(109g10) from your list...unusable now.
after reading a post where b17FM=lanc FM...
hmmm, not good.
AH is now a T&B area (like WB). with hogs turning  like hell and so on...
1.03 was ok(i'm fine with A5 changes in 1.04) but now we hav a WWI FM with WWII fighters.
why do you allied always need a T&B FM to stay against LW??

habicht, in his last month, out

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