Author Topic: Death Penalty... yes or no?  (Read 3376 times)

Offline gofaster

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6622
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« on: November 19, 2002, 08:23:05 AM »
I used to be a big proponent of the death penalty - hey, they killed someone, then they should be killed; eye for an eye and all that, right?

"But what if the guy is innocent?"  

"Nah, couldn't happen.  He had a trial with a jury and they found him guilty, so he must've done it..."

But now, with several cases re-opened and new methods of DNA testing being used to determine guilt or innocence, I have to wonder how many people were punished for crimes they didn't commit.

Like this one:

DNA Evidence Clears Man of Rape
Tue Nov 19, 5:59 AM ET  
 

By BRIAN WITTE, Associated Press Writer

BALTIMORE (AP) - Police used DNA evidence to arrest a man for a rape after DNA testing exonerated another man who served two decades in prison for the crime.

 

Bernard Webster was convicted of the assault, but was released Nov. 7 after DNA tests proved he could not have been the rapist. Darren Powell, 36, was arrested Monday morning as he walked to work, Baltimore County police said.


Investigators reopened the case and reviewed it with technology that did not exist in 1982. The 20-year-old evidence was submitted to Maryland's Combined DNA Index System, a statewide database set up in 1994 and maintained by the Maryland State Police.


In Maryland, felons must submit DNA samples that are acquired by an oral swab. Because Powell had been convicted of a past felony, his DNA was in the database, enabling investigators to get a warrant for his arrest.


Powell faces charges of first and second-degree rape, first-degree assault, first-degree sex offense and first-degree burglary.


He was being held without bail in the Baltimore County Detention Center.


Webster was 19 when a 47-year-old teacher identified him as the man who broke into her home and raped her in 1982. Can't get any better testimony than an eye witness victim identifying the suspect as the perpetrator, right?


Webster's lawyers said he wasn't entitled to compensation from the state for his time in prison, and he has no family, friends, job or home. He had been scheduled for release in February.


Two Baltimore-area state senators have pledged that if neither the governor nor the governor-elect takes steps to compensate him, they will push for a bill that pays him for his time behind bars.


On Nov. 7, Baltimore County Circuit Court Judge Christian M. Kahl ordered Webster freed, saying, "Justice moves slow at times, and in your case, it moved very, very slow."


Webster, 40, was the third person in Maryland and the 115th nationwide to have a conviction overturned by DNA evidence, according to the nonprofit Innocence Project in New York City.

Webster, who has been living in temporary housing since his release, has been following up on job offers since his exoneration became public, according to the state public defender's office. He has declined requests for interviews

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2002, 08:28:12 AM »
I say yes... They should have some pretty damning evidence tho and the crime should be pretty sociopathic.    Death penalty is a deterant.. no way around that..  was listening to a "profiler" who was looking for a killer in Mi.  said she knew of one nutcase and it may be him... he had claimed that he would comit his murders in a state with no death penalty.   The death penalty is a mercy for all involved.   put em down... it's time.

oh... dna evidence cuts both ways.
lazs

Offline Gh0stFT

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1736
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2002, 08:48:54 AM »
We dont have it here, the death penalty, but anyway
if we had the death penalty here, I always asked myself:
would I execute a Murder with my own hands ?
Its easy to say yes to death penalty as long as you dont
have to do the dirt job ?
Would you do it ?
The statement below is true.
The statement above is false.

Offline bloodstain

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 123
death penalty
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2002, 08:49:29 AM »
I vote yes on this one. But like laz said the evidence and the type of crime should dictate such a harsh penalty. Besides we all know that the legal system can be manipulated, just ask O.J.

Even inmates on deathrow have quite a lot of appeals process that they can use should they feel they are innocent. Hell some of these guys die of natural causes before they even get put into the chair or gas chamber

Besides that case you mentioned doesn't really warrant the death penalty anyway.(also can't believe I am agreeing with Laz:D ) Sometimes when DNA comes back it can shatter the whole im innocent claim.

Offline Thrawn

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6972
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2002, 08:54:05 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by lazs2
Death penalty is a deterant.. no way around that..  


If the death penalty is a deterant, why don't the states with capital punishment have the lowest incidence of homocides?

Offline Ripsnort

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27260
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2002, 08:54:50 AM »
1st degree aggrevated assault with irrefutable evidence....Yes.

Offline Eagler

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18803
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2002, 09:01:13 AM »
I thought abortion was legal, ain't that a death penalty?

with the end result of an "innocent" victim being killed ...

one can kill (mutilate then suck out the remains) a being as innocent as they come but the same group has trouble killing a murdering bastard type .. go figure

sorry, slipped over from other thread - carry on with your lame argument
"Masters of the Air" Scenario - JG27


Intel Core i7-13700KF | GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite AX | 64GB G.Skill DDR5 | 16GB GIGABYTE RTX 4070 Ti Super | 850 watt ps | pimax Crystal Light | Warthog stick | TM1600 throttle | VKB Mk.V Rudder

Offline Ripsnort

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27260
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2002, 09:03:42 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Gh0stFT
We dont have it here, the death penalty, but anyway
if we had the death penalty here, I always asked myself:
would I execute a Murder with my own hands ?
Its easy to say yes to death penalty as long as you dont
have to do the dirt job ?
Would you do it ?


Would you perform an abortion?

Offline Dowding (Work)

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 627
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2002, 09:05:06 AM »
What are your feelings on post rape abortion Eagler? Surely that's 'murder' too?

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2002, 09:05:20 AM »
well... we could use the abortion test... If the mother says it's ok then we can execute.   retroactive abortion and.... arguably... for better reason.
lazs

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2002, 09:07:42 AM »
I don't think that I would enjoy executing someone but sometimes it has to be done.   I have put my own dog dwon and I have had proffesionals do it.   Better to have the pros do it but... if I have no choice... If it has to be done.. I got no problem with it.
lazs

Offline Turdboy

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 155
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2002, 09:09:28 AM »
It goes both ways Eagler. The ones that want the Death penalty are the ones that don't want abortions.

I'm for the Death penalty and I think abortions are wrong BUT I think the woman needs to have the right to decide.

Offline Eagler

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18803
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2002, 09:10:33 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
What are your feelings on post rape abortion Eagler? Surely that's 'murder' too?


Dowding
please show me the stats...

Surely you don't believe more than 5% of all abortions are rape related do you?

5% is probably 3% too high ...........

to answer your question, yes it is murder - more easily justified but murder as is the death penalty - a particlar "murder" I am for.
Ghost
Ya, I could easily kill someone who had killed one of mine. Could I be the prison guard who threw the switch or released the gas - nope, wouldn't want that job. Not that the slob (prisoner) didn't deserve what he got, just wouldn't want the job.
"Masters of the Air" Scenario - JG27


Intel Core i7-13700KF | GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite AX | 64GB G.Skill DDR5 | 16GB GIGABYTE RTX 4070 Ti Super | 850 watt ps | pimax Crystal Light | Warthog stick | TM1600 throttle | VKB Mk.V Rudder

Offline Wlfgng

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5252
      • http://www.nick-tucker.com
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2002, 09:12:17 AM »
yes
as long as due process and indesputible(sp) evidence is presented.

Offline Eagler

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18803
Death Penalty... yes or no?
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2002, 09:15:15 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Turdboy
It goes both ways Eagler. The ones that want the Death penalty are the ones that don't want abortions.

I'm for the Death penalty and I think abortions are wrong BUT I think the woman needs to have the right to decide.


don't see it that way Turdboy

What did a murder do to get the death penalty?
What did the baby do to get its?

The womans "right to decide" happens way before the sperm and the egg unite.

After that, it ain't her call.
"Masters of the Air" Scenario - JG27


Intel Core i7-13700KF | GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite AX | 64GB G.Skill DDR5 | 16GB GIGABYTE RTX 4070 Ti Super | 850 watt ps | pimax Crystal Light | Warthog stick | TM1600 throttle | VKB Mk.V Rudder