Simple request to HTC

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Sachs
I remember watchign as 50+ users left FA 2.5 because of the way the luftwaffe rides were modeled.  It wasn't fixed until the very last patch, but many left and went on to other online sims.  AH WW2online and such.  I watched as whole LW squds vanished from there.  Data was shown and proven, it has been shown here, and I am not saying things won't be fixed.  BUt a nice response of we are looking into it would suffice.  

There's a reason they are called LuftWhiners... if they don't get their way, they run out the door screaming and crying.

Take your lumps and get over it, no plane is modelled within 90% of being historically accurate... why EXACTLY should the LW planes be given special attention?

Because their egos are too frail to lose in the horribly undermodelled rides against horribly overmodelled allied rides?
-SW

[Kweassa]

F4UDOA has posted many many many theories on how the F4U is undermodelled, often very persistently, with data, charts, speculations, and logic much simular in the manner maybe Hazed, Wilbus, or Nuadet would post about the 190.

 I've yet to see his thread turn into a "Allied vs Luftwaffe" bashing fiasco.

 Why?

 Because, somehow, as far as I can remember, many of what F4UDOA speculated and theorized were proven wrong or insufficient in data(while ofcourse, they were still interesting and informative) and yet not one single guy came inside the thread and started bashing him about "how one cannot take his lumps and get over it, not realizing that no plane is modelled within 90% of being historically accurate... and not realizing that there isn't any reason the plane of his interest should be given special attention". F4UDOA still posts about the Corsairs with persistent passion and affection towards the plane with out being harrassed by the "anti-whiners" carrying a noose with a devasting intent for mental lynching.

 It was so easy to degenerate his thread into something like this one by taunting and sneering upon his "whinings" and yet, LW fans did not choose to do so. They had no special interest in the F4U series, and they felt it was unnecessary. If someone wants to prove a point, or an answer towards mysteries and questions behind a planes performance it is perfectly normal to post on this board requesting them.

 Maybe the real "conspiracy" lies in this forgery of the existence of some strange concept called "luftwhiners", because, there's no such thing. Maybe some smart-prettythang decided give a name to the group he intended to personally mock out in the open, but one thing is for certain, all sorts of people research, question, criticize, and request data about all sorts of planes.

 Only one certain group of those people were given a "name", which has been stereo-typed and laughed upon for ages. Which became so strong that even the people that were accused and mocked upon somehow began to associate each other in such bogus terms.

 If that ain't a conspiracy, what is?

ps) In simple words, where were you when Karnak posted about Mossies, or F4UDOA posted about La-7s and F4Us? Any particular reason you choose to show up and mock people at threads which concern only certain types of planes, when many other people are also doing exactly the same type of actions you antagonize?

Dung and flies share a mutual relationship. Maybe people are getting addicted to unreasonable hostilities towards each other. Whatever the reason, the whole outcome of the "Luftwhiner wars" heavily involve  your presence on these boards. Don't speak as if you are a third-person observer. If the "Luftwhiners" really exist, and they are such a pathetic bunch, you have a lot to do with them too, Wulfe.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Kweassa, notice how long I waited to reply to this thread.

Notice how very FEW LW-related threads I post to in the first place Kweassa.

Of course, when it's me who points out who LuftWhiners are (hint: read that paragraph I quoted), you decide to post a sermon on how it's my fault or everyone's out to get the poor LW guys.. or how come I don't post to Karnak's thread or F4UDOA's thread.

Still, I prefer German aircraft over everything else... I just happen to not complain about it.
-SW

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Kweassa
F4UDOA has posted many many many theories on how the F4U is undermodelled, often very persistently, with data, charts, speculations, and logic much simular in the manner maybe Hazed, Wilbus, or Nuadet would post about the 190.

 I've yet to see his thread turn into a "Allied vs Luftwaffe" bashing fiasco.

 Why?......

....because some people got beat up in school allot so they enjoy jumping on any bashing-bandwagon they can find.  Makes'em feel all warm and fuzzy inside. This boards full of'em.

[hazed-]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Kweassa, notice how long I waited to reply to this thread.

Notice how very FEW LW-related threads I post to in the first place Kweassa.

Of course, when it's me who points out who LuftWhiners are (hint: read that paragraph I quoted), you decide to post a sermon on how it's my fault or everyone's out to get the poor LW guys.. or how come I don't post to Karnak's thread or F4UDOA's thread.

Still, I prefer German aircraft over everything else... I just happen to not complain about it.
-SW

oh yeah a real angel you are SW lol

you know full well kweassa has made a valid point in what he said.


Im asking HTC this question so I can lay my questions to rest. I read books on 190s and find every now and then remarks or figures that suggest we have something missing.I post in the hope that it will be looked at and THATS IT! but im called whiner or as HT put it im 'only interested in having a super plane', even the head of the company is accusing me of things.

because im talking about the 190?? could it really be that?

If we dont post info to improve the planes or make em more accurate then what are we doing it for?

HTC chooses not to say if they have taken a look at the 190 with concerns to whats been posted and again we , FANS of a LW plane (god forbid) still dont know if any of the stuff we've found has been looked at or mulled over by HTC.although i guess now it must have been? then again maybe they ignore it as annoying customers they choose to ignore as squeeky wheels?

Well I used to enjoy this forum when we discuss things we find.I remember the 190a8 climbrate discussion we had SW and you posted what you had and i did the same. The thread was a good one and in the end we all agreed the 190a8 seemed to fit BETWEEN the numbers we had and so it was  pretty fair if it was averaged by HTC.
BUT over 25k there was a huge gulf between what was in the books and what i found in AH.I actually got fed up timing the climb over 30k in AH because it went into huge times! 3 or 4 times the amount stated in the book i gave reference to (capt.Browns).

So we settled MOST of it but not all. was it ever replied to? no
do we know if the climb rate is right or wrong according to HTC's info? no of course we dont.
all i know is i have a book from an RAF test pilot that says one thing and an AH model that doesnt fit.Still now i dont fly it up to 30k so its all ok right? yeah right thats great!
Same thing with the 190a5 stuff. Loads of theories as to whether the info posted is correct but still no word on what HTC thought of it all. Only from customers who say its all nonsense.
The loadout options for the 190f8 was answered about a year ago by pyro i believe, although i never found the thread, but apparently he said it would be looked into 'time permitting'.
but a year later almost and ive given up on it ever coming.

I just wanted to know what was happening.Im fed up with wondering as im sure loads of others are.It was a simple request but I just got blasted for doing it.

so posting to HTC on LW is just another squeeky wheel to them? without the interest i had in the info /researching/ charts we find here and there etc and then passing it on to post in here I think i'll lose most of the interest in AH i once had.Im severely disapointed by attitudes toward the planes i like.I really wish i loved p51s cause life would be a lot easier.

For me Ive lost a good part of my AH fun now i know this posting by me is all but ignored. really was nice to hear that !

[Thrawn]

Only about five of you luftwhiners luftwhine.

Hundreds (thousands?) of other customer want HTC to concentrate on thier job.  Not holding your hands and tell you it's going to be all better.

Cripes even when they do waste their time pointing out how your FM theories are wrong you still bring the same toejam up next month.

Thank you, but I perfer for Pyro to work on 1.11.  Wait for the read me.  The rest of us have to.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Hazed, you don't bring up one issue just once.... it's repeated ad nauseum, and when HiTech finally answers you... the thread continues about how you feel you should be answered, and things are still missing, and you'd like answers... not to mention you take his words out of context and flip them around so that it looks like he's against you too.

No, indeed it isn't the 190 or the 109.. it's the subtle roadkill that fills virtually every thread regarding the LW planes...

Tumor, I'm sure you were one of those kids.
-SW

[Tumor]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe

Tumor, I'm sure you were one of those kids.
-SW

LOL!!!  My aren't WE getting defensive!

[hazed-]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Hazed, you don't bring up one issue just once.... it's repeated ad nauseum, and when HiTech finally answers you... the thread continues about how you feel you should be answered, and things are still missing, and you'd like answers... not to mention you take his words out of context and flip them around so that it looks like he's against you too.

No, indeed it isn't the 190 or the 109.. it's the subtle roadkill that fills virtually every thread regarding the LW planes...

Tumor, I'm sure you were one of those kids.
-SW

youre full of toejam SW.

Show me a thread where hes answered a question ive posed. And i dont mean show me where he's replied. Show me an actual understood answer.Better yet you show us how you have understood it and explain it yourself.
If you are refering to the cooling thread then im afraid if you read the end you'll see no one understood the reply.Therefore it isnt an answer.We understood that things had to be set up for the sake of a game but we were never told why the difference in timings.That was the question posed.
If you are refering to some other subject then be specific and name it.
'subtle roadkill that fill every thread regarding LW planes'? well that really says it all doesnt it.

This thread was a waste of time, undoubtedly for you and others but for several of us it may have opened our eyes to certain attitudes.I know it has for me.

[Tumor]

STFU hazed... yur gonna break a wheel on SW's wagon.

[minus]

wulf are you payed for this ?

man it looks really suspicious how you react ,if you not payed then go away it looks like obsession

about the Luftwhiner , well , be careful or you will fight only and se only alied planes  one day, and about  what customer can and cant,  

for example, i still pay my subscription but not playing much like before, and just go this way  then i will realy not have reason  to play anymore AH, and seems this aply also  to other ,, luftwhiners,,

and any other  remarks on my person only in Slovak langue, if you cant ,go and learn some

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Angus
I think I am starting to comprehend the word "Luftwhiner".
hmm. Interesting.

to the point, HT DOES read these posts....at the outset of 1.10, a few hog drivers mentioned the FM of the corsair, we all believed it to be more sluggish than usual.

HT replied after a week or so, informing the thread "No changes have been made to the Corsair FM." Period. End of discussion. You don't see us guys squeaking and oaning about the drag coeffecient, wing point issue, climb rate concerns, and a host of other things we can take issue with.

What part of HT's explanation do you LW's not understand, or accept?

Sheesh, the LW rides are at the top of the charts in most categories, so lighten up, will ya? It seems that for every Sopwith Camel or FM2 adjustment, you guys want to adjust the top speed of the 262 or revisit the possibility of adding two 37MM's on a 190 that some long forgotten German engineer thought up in a wet dream! The war's over, you lost, so play the cards you're dealt. If you hot shots are so damn good, why do you need more things stacked in your favor?

BTW, don't take this too much to heart, LW's, it's only a game...isint it?  

Sorry for the rant...My horse died this morning and I'm all pissed off now LOL

Gainsie

[Urchin]

Dude, that sucks.  I don't like horses much, but I'm sorry yours died.

[hazed-]

redtail youre doing exatly the same toejam. Im not of the opinion that LW planes were/are/should be the best.I dont appreciate your inference that i idolise the germans because I feel they should have won the war.Comments like that make me twice as angry as you could possibly be at this moment.

As for your example of the F$u query I think you need to re READ this post.

the fact you said you got a CLEAR and UNDERSTANDABLE answer to your questions on the F4U within TWO WEEKS is precisely why I find it so hard to understand why there has been no answer on the 190 question for MONTHS.

Oh and please post a link to the thread where we asked for an increase in the 262's speed.

Jesus, all i wanted was a hint at whether HTC was looking into the 190s. The idea was to end this ENDLESS bickering and moaning at people like me who HAPPEN TO LIKE THE 190 and want to see it running the same as the information we find.

All this roadkill about us ranting on about it really pisses me off to be honest. The only reason the threads and questions get repeated is that they are never answered or customers like you who have no idea about what is going on stick your oar in and stir the pot.Throwing a few insults in just to spice up your arguments, draw a little anger out and the thread degenerates into this crap.Me trying to tell you youre wrong and you then calling me names for getting so worked up.

WELL guess what. we are not NAZI's or followers of Germany, we dont long for the good old days of war or whatever other roadkill you want to believe.We merely fly an aircraft in a game that just so happens to have a lot of amazinhunks who like to throw insults at anyone who flies it.

Its a game like you said. LW and IJN are the 'bad guys' in this GAME. same as the 'empire' would be if we were playing Starwars.If you got such a problem with people flying LW planes then i suggest you ask HTC to remove them from the game.
Do us all a favour. Jees if HTC did remove them I'd have no reason to stay here and i could leave The problem is I love this game and i like flying 190s and other planes.I must like it cause i put up with the kind of crap youre spewing.

oh and sorry to hear your horse died.That was definately NOT down to the 'Luftwhiners'

[hazed-]

redtail youre doing exatly the same toejam. Im not of the opinion that LW planes were/are/should be the best.I dont appreciate your inference that i idolise the germans because I feel they should have won the war.Comments like that make me twice as angry as you could possibly be at this moment.

As for your example of the F$u query I think you need to re READ this post.

the fact you said you got a CLEAR and UNDERSTANDABLE answer to your questions on the F4U within TWO WEEKS is precisely why I find it so hard to understand why there has been no answer on the 190 question for MONTHS.

Oh and please post a link to the thread where we asked for an increase in the 262's speed.

Jesus, all i wanted was a hint at whether HTC was looking into the 190s. The idea was to end this ENDLESS bickering and moaning at people like me who HAPPEN TO LIKE THE 190 and want to see it running the same as the information we find.

All this roadkill about us ranting on about it really pisses me off to be honest. The only reason the threads and questions get repeated is that they are never answered or customers like you who have no idea about what is going on stick your oar in and stir the pot.Throwing a few insults in just to spice up your arguments, draw a little anger out and the thread degenerates into this crap.Me trying to tell you youre wrong and you then calling me names for getting so worked up.

WELL guess what. we are not NAZI's or followers of Germany, we dont long for the good old days of war or whatever other roadkill you want to believe.We merely fly an aircraft in a game that just so happens to have a lot of amazinhunks who like to throw insults at anyone who flies it.

Its a game like you said. LW and IJN are the 'bad guys' in this GAME. same as the 'empire' would be if we were playing Starwars.If you got such a problem with people flying LW planes then i suggest you ask HTC to remove them from the game.
Do us all a favour. Jees if HTC did remove them I'd have no reason to stay here and i could leave The problem is I love this game and i like flying 190s and other planes.I must like it cause i put up with the kind of crap youre spewing.

oh and sorry to hear your horse died.That was definately NOT down to the 'Luftwhiners'