Author Topic: Simple request to HTC (Read 2922 times)

hazed- · « **on:** November 23, 2002, 05:57:05 AM »

As you are probably aware all too clearly there have been countless posts concerning 190's and ta152 etc over recent weeks/months and in many of them there are constant calls for a word or two from the HTC crew concerning whether you are looking into their questions etc.many times there are answers from you guys that are missed or lost in silly arguements that spring up in the threads.

Well rather than continueing to post more and more about the planes and trying over and over to get answers from you guys and also pretty much drive you all crazy demanding more and more of your time I thought it might be easier if I just came right out and ask if you will be looking into the modeling of the 190a5 or ta152 in the near future.

If you simply answer 'yes its being looked into' I can quite happily wait and im sure wotan , naudet, mandoble and others would be very pleased to know it.
As i see it the whole tone of some of the threads is detrimental to AH as they often hint at HTC ignoring or avoiding the issues brought forward.Im pretty sure you guys are trying constantly to give us the best you can but I dont know if its a lack of time or that you guys get annoyed at the tone of these threads that causes them not to be answered.
Well I for one would like to appologise if I have annoyed you guys and I will endevour to not do it again if i can help it but Id like you to understand the frustration I , and im sure others feel, when there is no word as to whether anything we type gets even read.Im sure you do but we can never really be sure.

So the idea here is to get a straight forward reply without demanding a huge explanation or data from you guys etc.
We can appreciate your time is hard pushed and it must be frustrating for you guys to see the same subject brought up over and over.

If we get the answer 'no the FM for 190 and ta152 is fine as far as HTC is concerned' maybe we can simply stop trying so hard to get you to change things and give you some peace?
As I said i feel its only hurting AH to have so many threads which are not always good for the image of your company especially when we make assumptions about what we think you guys think!

All the name calling and political arguements only make people ignore the threads in the end and then a short time later its all churned up again.

I think it would be a good time to settle the issue a bit and give us a clue to how you feel about the issue we keep pushing if only to give you some peace

well there you have it.Are we wasting your time and ours by repeatedly questioning? could we please have a word from you?

Will you look into the 190a5's modeling or the ta152s modeling? (are the plans for changes to any 190s?)

either way you answer I for one will no longer push it.I'll accept either answer and either drop the subject or wait patiently for further word from you guys concerning future changes.

thanks

funkedup · « **Reply #1 on:** November 23, 2002, 06:09:05 AM »

I'm not sure they want to establish a precedent for "the squeaky wheel gets the grease."

hazed- · « **Reply #2 on:** November 23, 2002, 08:23:30 AM »

funked the squeaky wheels that CONTINUE to squeak are doing no favours for all of us.Those that post are frustrated.Those that dont want anything done are annoyed and theres generally bad blood in every post. This is an attempt to shut it all up so we can go onto other issues.

I personally would just like to know if all those posts have actually done something or if its just a waste of time.

If i was to find out there will be no changes then Id stop posting questions about it . Probably stop posting in aircraft and vehicles alltogether concerning FM issues.Id stick to gameplay aspects.

Ive done a lot of testing and info searching in the hope to make my AH experience better or more fun and less frustrating and it would save me a hell of a lot of time if i knew one way or another.I really dont feel its asking much, and i often wonder why wotan and many others even after testing and trying hard to put forward a sound arguement seem to be ignored.its not right really.

and if i might add, how else are people supposed to question things unless they ask by posting? Your 'squeaky wheel' could be applied to almost every post ive ever seen concerning almost all types of planes. p38 durability, Nik FM/e retention, F4uc perking, engine oil trouble in 190s were all subsequently changed after much posting and questioning funked.How is this any different ?

if theres a different way to do it please tell me what it is.

Im trying to ask politely here.

Maverick · « **Reply #3 on:** November 23, 2002, 02:19:41 PM »

Squeaky wheels DO get the grease in the game.

Many of the new AC as well as some game play changes seem to be the direct result of HTC paying attention to the bbs and the comments (suggestions/requests/bribe offers/WHINES!!) of the customers. Why should he pay attention to his customers? Because the customers PAY him to provide a game. If he doesn't pay attention to those who PAY him, then this game will go the way of others in the not too distant past.

Varients that have been added range from maps, planes, game play issues and the perk system. Some good, some bad but all were issues that found their way onto the bbs BEFORE they got into the game.

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** November 23, 2002, 02:55:16 PM »

Maybe they've concluded that five or six very noisy subscribers, some of whom are very prone to quitting, aren't worth the effort because nothing done for them has ever satisfied any of them.

Just because the same few people start thread after thread about niggling little details of their pet aircraft doesn't mean there is a huge uproar and outcry about these things.

BTW, I know what the Ta152H-1's issue is, but how is the Fw190A-5 wrong?

Or are you blindly refering to that chart that says it did 360mph or so on the deck? You know, the chart that wasn't based on flight tests but rather on paper calculation using the German method that consistantly gave deck speeds that were too high?

The Fw190A-5, Fw190A-8 and Fw190D-9 are all fine.

The Fw190F-8 needs more loadout options and the Ta152H-1 needs its GM-1 boost.

Urchin · « **Reply #5 on:** November 23, 2002, 03:41:27 PM »

And the WGR-21 rockets need to be jettisonable

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lord dolf vader · « **Reply #6 on:** November 23, 2002, 06:17:52 PM »

does 190 d9 still compress alot earlyer at all alts than a8? with same wing and more leverage. flight tests were done and a quote from some dude named kurt tank giving a very detailed description of excelent control at speeds/alt where the ah d9 shakes and siezes up like a rock. i know it drove the black adders to distraction in the game .

they never got i responce at all i think.

Mister Fork · « **Reply #7 on:** November 23, 2002, 06:42:17 PM »

Of course, let's not forget the totally bogus acceleration rates for ALL 190's and the 152. They accelerate like cold molasses on a Sunday morning.

Throw in missing loadouts of all LW aircraft compared to the over modelled P-47 loadouts.

I think we need a simple "yeah, we're looking into it" or a "it's find just the way it is" and be done with it.

hazed- · « **Reply #8 on:** November 24, 2002, 05:37:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Of course, let's not forget the totally bogus acceleration rates for ALL 190's and the 152. They accelerate like cold molasses on a Sunday morning.

Throw in missing loadouts of all LW aircraft compared to the over modelled P-47 loadouts.

I think we need a simple "yeah, we're looking into it" or a "it's find just the way it is" and be done with it.

exactly this is the area im most interested in.

Im also hoping for new loadout options , jetisonable wr21s , possibly more armour for 190f8? gm1 simulated for ta152 etc

The list is extensive really and they have been asked for again and again over a long period of time.All I would like is a hint at whether they are ever going to be looked at.It doesnt have to be right now or even the near future but just a word to say it would be looked into would be enough.
Karnak you say its one or two noisy individuals? would you care to name these? If you include me in the list id like to know why.
If you look at all my posts, including the 190a8 tests I did and there was a lot of time put into it. Or the cooling tests i did concerning engine cooling after using wep , they were fair requests and for the most part ignored or even when they got an answer it was incredibly confusing and didnt answer it at all.Im not here to stir up trouble but I would like the same treatment as any other customer.If someone finds a fault I think they are entitled to ask about it.At least it would seem some are allowed whilst others are labeled whiners.
As for players quiting I think you should realise ive been in AH since beta days and I payed when the cost was double what it is now.Ive only ever quit once and i explained clearly why i left.The great thing was all the reasons i listed as to why i left were actually addressed (like a strat system and lower subscription cost) so i was more than pleased to return to AH.

seems to me whenever it concerns an LW plane its labeled a whine and from what i can gather this started years back in warbirds or something.I came to AH a complete novice to online sims and i have only flown AH.I learned to love this game but I very much noticed a very negative attitude to anything mentioned concerning LW planes.The childish name calling still infuriates me to this day, its just a method of ignoring issues brought up.If there are loud mouths around and they happen to be LW flyers it doesnt mean that ALL customers who like to fly them should be tared with the same brush.It is in no way fair.

Damn I knew this wouldnt be a simple thread, Again im annoyed by the attitude toward this subject.Instead of a word from HTC I get the opinions of customers who quite honestly have no business telling me what HTC thinks as they dont even know.Im addressing this to them and if they choose to ignore it then wel, fair enough i guess.

I just think it would be easier to say '190s wont be changed' etc and then at least it would put an end to us constantly testing stuff for nothing.Should we just give up?

brady · « **Reply #9 on:** November 24, 2002, 06:19:03 AM »

Hazed, I feal your pain, but I think their silence may be speaking volums.

If nothing is adreased in this huge line, of issues, in the next patch/err update, then well maybe, but then again they have fixed stuff in the past that was an issue. hard to say. We did get bombs for the La-7 and La-5, they do do stuff like this.

hitech · « **Reply #10 on:** November 24, 2002, 07:33:46 AM »

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funked the squeaky wheels that CONTINUE to squeak are doing no favours for all of us

Take your own advise.

HiTech

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** November 24, 2002, 07:56:41 AM »

Hitech with all due due respect should I read that as:

"Shut the hell up luftwobbles!"

I would appreciate a clarification, seeing as such an apparently dismissive comment is coming from you the owner and president of HTC.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #12 on:** November 24, 2002, 08:48:51 AM »

What's with the jettisonable payload thing? Why don't you just fire them off and save the BBS server some capacity?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #13 on:** November 24, 2002, 08:55:29 AM »

In AH the 21cm rocket tubes stay on after firing the rocket, and the drag and weight are represented in the FM. In RL they were fitted with a release mechanism so they could be discarded at the pilot's discretion before or after firing the rocket. The whole assembly was treated sort of like we treat aux fuel tanks.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #14 on:** November 24, 2002, 09:04:45 AM »

Something you LW guys never answered :

Are the FWs suppose to compress after the P47? Honest question, not a whine.

Else ... fix whatever needs to be fixed... alas with HTC policy you shove it deep in your mouth as silence is their choice. "Wise strategy built on past comunauty interaction" or just "buzz off I'm god", up to each of us it's own interpretation.