Originally posted by hitech
Hazed, let me lay it out for you. What funkedup is refering to in the squeeky wheel, is not that the items you disagree with in the game are the squeeky wheels, wrather that YOU are a squeeky wheel. The resone why are simple statements like this.
"The cooling times question i asked I tried my damndest to understand your explanation but I still dont have a clear indication of the reasons for the differing times in AH."
On that issue I answered you twice. Yet here we are at least a month later and you are once again squeeking about it.
We try look into any VALID discussion of flight modling that could be incorect, and have responded to some like the rocket pod jetison before.
That question is a choice on our part to make them not jetisonable, because all players would just jetison after use, and that is not how they were used. The jetison was for emergancy only, and not disposable. There for in an effort to be more realistic we chose not to have them jetisonable. And now once again just this statment will lead to another heated argument.
So now who is it that is causing the "TONE" of this type of statements?
"As i see it the whole tone of some of the threads is detrimental to AH as they often hint at HTC ignoring or avoiding the issues brought forward."
HTC by not spending the time holding the hands ,and giving a few squeeky players extra atention?
Or the "SQUEEKY" players who tend to only bring up items that would make there beloved planes better?
I'm not positive about this, but where in the last year have you posted an item where any LW plane is to good at somthing?
And if you realy belive that me answereing your first question would make an issue stop, I belive you are greatly mistaken.
The out come would be one of a few.
If I said yes, we are looking into it. Then we decided it's ok. You would come right back at us and argue some more that it's NOT ok.
If I said we have looked into it, and it's OK you would then bring the topic back up again in 2 weeks. Or just go away stomping your feet claming we don't care about accuracy.
A lot of the time the best way for us answere this stuff, is to not respond until we are positive we are going to change somthing.
Even then it can work out better if we just change it, and put it in the readme at release.
There was a post a few days back how incorect or ar234 was because it had a skid not wheels, should I imeaditly respond that we will look into it. Or that no you are mistaken, take time diging up the resources on which version had what to get into that discusion?
Please realize that when you belive that somthing is incorect the burden of proof lies with you, it is not our job to prove what we have is correct. The resone is simple, how many times and to many people would have to keep proving it.
HiTech
I understand what you are saying HT.You havent the time to repeat yourself on the same subjects to every new guy who posts.
However concerning the cooling you didnt finish your answer.perhaps you think we understood and so should drop it? if you go back and read the last few replies you will see all concerned failed to understand what you meant.I was not alone.Further more you say ho hun makes a great post but in it he states he doesnt understand the timings for the various planes.nothing is actually answered.
Well as dissapointed as i am about your assumptions about why I post and my motives I'll just put one point to you.
I read these forums a lot and I have NO CLUE as to whether you have ever answered a question regarding the 190s.The only info I have concerning your opinion on them is a post from a LONG way back by pyro saying he would look into 190f8 loadouts one day 'time permitting' I think were his words.After he said that i never asked about it again but I still often wonder if it will be changed.All other subjects concerning the 190s have no official HTC response in them as far as i can find.
I have seen quite a few posts where there are some great arguements and discussions concerning FM issues etc and many are unresolved.Now you claim you'd have to constantly repeat yourself to customers but if you look at the thread you give as an example it is in fact a customer who points out the other guys mistake.A customer tells him its the B version.
The point im trying to make is you claim i wont be satified with 'we've looked into it and its ok' when Ive never had the opertunity to decide that! If anyone else out there does know where its been answered PLEASE tell me where i can read it.
all i know as a customer, AND im SURE there are others like me is that i see post after post concerning LW planes(and other types!) and they are rarely IF EVER answered.Thats why they keep popping up again and again.
Ok so maybe in a year or two i'll finally leave AH and along comes a new customer who asks the same things.Well I guess its tough for you to have to say 'we've looked into it and its ok' all over again but is it really that much for us to ask of you??? half the time another customer would answer anyway or even point them to the old thread where you did answer.You act as if you have already told us the answers and that we are making you repeat yourself when ive yet to actually find any.
I thought the idea of this forum is to comunicate with your customers a bit and see what their ideas or gripes are, to have us do some of the research into various issues?
You want us to post what we have found and not to expect a reply until its either changed or disputed? even if you think we have correct info you wont post just to say its interesting to you or usable?
I can understand that maybe we have become a little too familiar with you guys and expect too much concerning your time but I have to say this HT thats one of the reasons this game has held my interest.The fact that if i do tests and find fault im allowed to ask you guys about it is a MAJOR plus point in favour of your game.The idea is to help you get a great and accurate game not to annoy you.
also I have to say im bitterly dissapointed HT.You basically claim i have no other interest than making the 190 some kind of superplane and then using nothing but it to play your game.I play all aspects of AH and ive loved playing it from the start way back in beta days.Im really offended by your veiw on my character.Its quite obvious to me you dont have a clue what i play this game for.
I dont know HT, perhaps your attitude is justified, maybe you have gone through all this before in warbirds? maybe you have to say this to a new customer all the time but I would say 'thems the breaks' of running a company myself.Im just a customer asking about a plane he likes to fly and you shouldnt forget that.I dont have a clue about what went on 3 or 4 years ago in another game and you should not attribute traits from those x customers to me.All ive seen since i found AH is that I really did choose the wrong plane to like when i picked the 190.Ive had nothing but grief and abuse when i ask about them since then.I think ive finally come to the point where i dont really care if its right or wrong.Its not worth the frustrations like those caused when i just read your reply.
I have a reply at last it seems and for me it is enough.I'll stick to talking history and making AH avi's or something.The whole research/testing area I think ill give up on.It a real shame too as ive bought many books just to research subjects brought up in here.That was a major part of the whole AH experience.I joined for a game and got interested in the science side and the whole learning experience concerning ACM and performances.with that side taken away I wonder if it will hold as much appeal.
