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Offline Lephturn

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« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2001, 02:02:00 PM »

Deja is right on.

If I'm training a reasonably competant student who offers himself on a platter by following my zoom when he doesn't have enough energy, I'll ping him.  If I'm training, I may only ping him with MG's lightly and re-set the fight.  If I'm not specifically training, I'm going to wax him instantly.

It's only bad to continually wax a newbie the same way if you don't take the time to show him why and explain it.  As long as you explain why it's not good, and try to teach the newbie something, that's all you can do.  Some people never learn, but be patient and keep explaining it.  Above all, NEVER back off.  Once a student reaches reasonable proficiency, I will nail him each and every time he makes a mistake.  It's my DUTY to do that.  If I back off and don't take the easy kill, in the main arena he'll get slaughtered.  I'll keep waxing him over and over and over and I'll keep explaining and working with him until he can defeat that move ever time, or as in this case, avoid that mistake.

Once again I point out.... nobody can "do" a rope-a-dope (this is really what we are talking about here, it's largely irrelevant that a hammerhead is used to reverse at the top of the zoom), the target has to start that move himself by making a mistake.  If he does, I'm going to nail him for it.  The only difference with being a trainer is that I'll make damn sure to explain it and help the other fellow learn how to avoid getting killed by it in the future.

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Offline mrfish

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« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2001, 02:12:00 PM »
acm whining......now i've heard it all

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« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2001, 04:55:00 PM »
I think all of us.. ok almost all of us agree..

it's a valid move...   learn from it or die from it... especially in the MA.

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« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2001, 05:29:00 PM »
It was the recommended P-47 tactic against the LW; Use a series of dives and zooms until the enemy would stall out before you, so you could reverse down on him.

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« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2001, 05:49:00 PM »
"...BTW, I seriously doubt people want to fight with traditional WW2 tactics. Basically, sneak up behind them and pray you kill them before they notice you... if not run..."

Actually a lot of people in Aces High DO use these tactics.  

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« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2001, 05:53:00 PM »
Actually Bowser, only some do.  And we all know when it happens because chanel 1 is loaded full of "Damn runstang/hunstang/perk dweeb!" insults.

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« Reply #51 on: May 01, 2001, 06:34:00 PM »
Perk the Hammmerhead
Loops should cost 5 perks
Turns 2 perkies.

"Break left!"
"I can't, all outta perkies"


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« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2001, 09:28:00 PM »
I think the average newcomer to a prop sim like AH is shocked to discover the planes do not have thrust in excess of weight of the A/C. Jet sim jocks suffer horribly till they wake up and realise the entire prop fighter experience is ENERGY v WEIGHT v POSITION. Jet sim jocks just fly POSITION..

The 'Rope a Dope' has been and will remain the #1 killer of low time pilots in prop A/C.

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« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2001, 02:45:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by NUTTZ:
Perk the Hammmerhead
Loops should cost 5 perks
Turns 2 perkies.

"Break left!"
"I can't, all outta perkies"


NUTTZ

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« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2001, 11:36:00 AM »
I just wish someone would teach me this damned move ! ! ! Im sick of falling for it, and im sick of dying while trying. <S> anyone who can pull this off.

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« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2001, 08:57:00 PM »
now let's look at the word "sucker move" kids.

you knowingly climb into a verticle  chase, expending all of your energy, and "hoping" that "maybe"..."i'll get a good HO and get lucky".

...you knowingly do this? you are a SUCKER!

yes folks, there is such a thing kown as a sucker move, it's all those poor suckers out there that define the word for sucker for us.

so, what did we learn kids?

don't be a sucker.

bla bla bla...

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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2001, 11:05:00 PM »
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
BTW, one of my favorite kills is on someone that is trying to rope-a-dope a lower con and doesn't notice me coming in.  To catch a plane at 200 yards right in the middle of a hammerhead is an awesome feeling


Yeah, a heck of a lot of my sadly low number of kills are this way. People who are roping dopes are usually awfully focused on the dope. And if you cruise around at 15K in a P-51 you'll find a lot of people at the top of their dope-roping at about 10K or so.

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« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2001, 11:21:00 PM »
I think the average newcomer to a prop sim like AH is shocked to discover the planes do not have thrust in excess of weight of the A/C. Jet sim jocks suffer horribly till they wake up and realise the entire prop fighter experience is ENERGY v WEIGHT v POSITION. Jet sim jocks just fly POSITION..

Damned well put Hangtime.

You need to throw in some of that hangtimeian grammer though; I miss all the "yer"'s and whatnot   :cool:

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« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2001, 11:34:00 PM »
Nothing like a good old fashioned rope-a-dope. :D

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« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2001, 03:20:00 AM »
Hammer head..

 U pay the ultimate price if you misjudge energy. A mediocre pilot like me feels that often.

 It's not such a 'maddening' move. You risk it and when you suceed, WOO HOO   ;)

 If not, Boo Hoooo  :(

 I don't think there's much reason to be mad about a known maneuver.