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Offline rickod

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« on: December 17, 2002, 03:12:11 PM »
This is what happens when a Stuka drops its big load

P.S.  I survived it can this 1800kg bomb be under modelled

Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2002, 03:18:03 PM »
Seriously doubt even a Tiger would handle a hit from a 1800kg that close, I've heard it can take alot of bomb hits before dying in AH.

What happens if you hit it spot on??
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2002, 03:44:21 PM »
You need to understand how explosive force dissipates in atmosphere.

You are 'in effect' attacking armor plate with a 'shock wave'. If the power of that 'shock wave' isn't enough to cause the plate to fail...it (the plate) doesn't really care.

If you want to outright 'kill' a Pz VIE with a bomb - hit it directly with the bomb.

The MA is learning why MBT kills reported by attack pilots in WW2 were almost always (honestly) overclaimed to a great degree.

If that bomb hit behind the Pz VIE, only 15' away, it probably would destroy the exhaust system components on the outside of the Pz VIE, and even start a small fire in the engine compartment.

The crew would hit the fire extinguishers and bail out - for 4 or 5 minutes. They'd then get back in the Pz VIE and either keep fighting or head back for repairs.

From the pilot's point of view: "Enemy tank started spewing smoke and crew bailed out".

This happened, again and again, in real life with the more sturdy MBTs in the war (mainly Pz VIE, Pz VIB, Pz V, Churchill VII, IS-2) unless they were hit by something that cleanly penetrated them.

AARs from German Pz units from '43 on are full or reports like the hypothetical one I typed above.

The bottom line is this - it was very rare for an MBT like a Pz VIE to ever 'explode'. The majority of the later German MBTs were lost when they were abandonded by the crew and could not be recovered. There wasn't alot around that could cause them to undergo a 'deathstar' like explosion - the main cause for such destruction would be fire getting to the stowed ammunition, which didn't happen 'instantly' very often as German ammunition stowage was fairly 'secure'.

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Offline TPIguy

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2002, 03:53:06 PM »
yet tigers still expolde when bumping into a palm tree...

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2002, 03:59:25 PM »
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Seriously doubt even a Tiger would handle a hit from a 1800kg that close, I've heard it can take alot of bomb hits before dying in AH.

What happens if you hit it spot on??


I don't know about "alot" of bomb hits ... was in a Tiger last night ... heard the "whistle of death" and poof ... was back in the tower.

Don't know what dropped on me, if it was a direct hit, or how many were dropped, but it surely is not impervious to bombs as you might think.

A squaddie rolled one on a base last nigth and said the ack bounced of him like spitballs.

Only time will tell how rugged this machine will be when it comes to bomb damage and when it comes face-to-face with an ostwind or a panzer.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2002, 06:40:09 PM »
I just killed two with an M8 :D

It also seems that tracked engines now have a better grip on the ground.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2002, 06:54:32 PM »
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yet tigers still expolde when bumping into a palm tree...


ROFL
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Offline Amboss

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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2002, 01:52:01 AM »
The Tiger might not be damaged too much from the blast but I doubt the crew would survive the pressure wave of a 1800kg bomb going off 10m away.

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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2002, 01:55:39 AM »
The Tiger not damaged from a 1800 KG ~ 4000lb's TNT ????????
Come on. Even a Tiger Tank will never survive it.
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2002, 02:17:22 AM »
The whole bomb's mass is 1800 Kg. There is less explosives than that as the casing has a mass too.


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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2002, 03:39:48 AM »
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I don't know about "alot" of bomb hits ... was in a Tiger last night ... heard the "whistle of death" and poof ... was back in the tower.


Thanks :) I was a bit worried there for a while, I haven't got the chance to try it yet as I am still waiting for my computer to arrive!
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2002, 03:48:57 AM »
In my experience, direct hits by heavy ordinance are needed to kill a Tiger outright .

Although I haven't had too much experience with them, a near miss, although not necessarily deadly, should have a fairly good chance of knocking off the tank treads.

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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2002, 04:00:16 AM »
Nearby detonations might not destroy a tank, but I've seen the pictures of Tigers and Panthers tossed on their backs like toys due to bombs landing close by. The pictures were taken after D-Day, and were the result of the heavy air raids performed by the Lancs of the RAF (along with 8th Air Force). I believe they used 1000 lb bombs.

I haven't played v1.11 yet, but it sounds like a good balance has been struck.

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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2002, 04:50:20 AM »
Ya I had an A20 drop a 500 pounder on me sent me back to the tower.

 Quirious thing is look at the Wingman parked next to the Tiger, he is very close as well I wounder why Stuka boy dident kget kill shottered.

 Who was leadpipe the guy in the Tiger?

 And if you did drop the 1,800 KG bomb(on the Tiger in the pick) what did you get the Citty building and the Kill with?

 

         
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Offline GPreddy

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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2002, 04:59:15 AM »
Lol and I lost a Tiger when I ran over a dead ack position. That just isnt right.