Some Concerns

[llbm_MOL]

I dont have a problem with it....as long as the established squads get the same sort of deal on down the line.......

I would also HOPE! that instead of doing a cloak and dagger type thing.(like the last priceing scheme) We are kept informed in some way of whats going on. We will find out anyway so why not be up front about it? Its the suprises that piss me off not the trying to make bizness better.

I would welcome ANY AW squads over here and I know they have some damn good pilots. We have a few in our squad and they can fly with any of the WB's pilots. I say the more the merrier!


LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Vermillion]

LOL!

Guys, Kelly don't go by 'Culero' for nothing  

Between him and me, we've had our ups and downs thru the years. But he can certainly live up to his callsign, and he's proud of it.

FYI those who are wondering what "culero" means, its "amazinhunk" in spanish (or is it more texmex?). Either way, same results.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

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[Sturm]

I don't get it.  Game goes under, and their flyers get a discount?  I was never offered this kind of rate and I came from another flight sim.  Pay the flat rate or go somewhere else, what makes them so special they deserve it?  If this is true, which I am not sure it is, then this is a slap in the face to all the AH'ers that supported this game for so long.  More pilots is great for a sim however, we will be getting the "Blue Light Special Flyers"  

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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[Glint]

The person that posted information on AH in reference to “some big AW squads wanted to move over to Aces High but only if they get a discounted group rate of $15” is also a paid employee of EA (Electronic Arts) for the on line game of Air Warrior. So you can see where he is going with this. Talk about a “childish” reaction to folks that want to sign up with AH. Why would someone from a rival game post anything in here AH you must ask yourself. This person represents EA and they allow their employees to act like this? One has to wonder.
Alan aka Glint

 

Originally posted by kmeyers:
I have recently heard some big AW squads wanted to move over to Aces High but only if they get a discounted group rate of $15.  I think this would be totally unfair to those who've shown support by already paying to play Aces High at its current rate. I fear that if these would-be new players are granted the discount that they are requesting it would also be destructive to the AH community as a whole unless every member of every squadron is also given the same lowered rate.  AH also has enormous squads and they are the ones who have worked to make this community what it is now.  Any sort of cut-rate fee should be spread to all of AH's squadrons or to none of them.

I don't normally share email with those it was not addressed to but I am so disgusted about this issue that I decided you all needed to see it.
 
>Nomads and friends ... I have been informed that negotiations are imminent. A group of our AW comrads have taken it upon themselves to try and get a group rate for entry into ACES HIGH. The figure discussed at this moment is $15.. Now none of this is decided but if it happens do you want to be on the list?? If so, reply with your name and cpid in the body of the letter so that I may easily copy it to a list..  You may send the names of others if you wish. Please dont give this email to others . I would prefer if you have names to add to the list that you would personally add to your letter.
Im just looking for a goodtime in the cyber skies.:}:}

>Just a note, We have been discussing this in depth with Damned members.
As we approach this, we must make sure we dont royally piss off the existing AH people, so we have decided that negotiations for price redux is confidential, and we need to keep it tight and close to our chests as we negotiate, and especially if we succeed and enter the arenas.
I know you all don't need to be told, but I at least wanted you to know how we are approaching this. Thanks, looking forward to taking over the world   ROC

[Carlos]

There are several ways to play without pay.
HT konws for sure.

[SwampRat]

Kelly...  Shut the #$%^ up you idiot.

TUMOR

[Animal -FT]

What a bunch of crap. AH invaded BW with propaganda on the agenda when this more then expensive game came out. I think I can find the original post if you like. If your gonna call crap crap then look in the mirror.

Again, these same folks are awful high and mighty around back up, but alone you can pick out all the holes.

I tried the game, it's very nice looking, has *some* nice art. However you won't get $30 out of me for just a sim, that will be run of the mill in the next 6-12 months. The art will soon be very common.

Along with that,  the flight model feels like you're bouncing on a wire, you imagine it's wind if your imagination runs wild, but it's not at all simulating wind current. it's just bouncing aimlessly

Sure I would like to fly the game,, it's pretty, nice eye candy, but for $30 it ain't worth 2 cents to me.

Too bad.

I don't see anything wrong in asking for lower prices, it's WAY over priced. A lot of my friends fly the game, but I still am not going to pay that much to one of the most expensive sims online.

WB flyers may be true, but you have just as many AW fliers here as well. A lot came from the propganda in BW which you and westy brought into the place to transfer the player base to AH, now the other way around, it's not nice? give me a friggin break. Even IF that was his ploy which I don't think it was.

What goes around comes around.

Maybe you read what you wanted to read from his post and not what he actually said. Think about what he said and what your saying and try to put the 2 together.

I like both you guys but some times, just sometimes, your opinions are over bearing and way off course.

BTW Westy you may want to venture to BW for a message from Moggy.

Animal

 

Originally posted by Seeker:
This is the new buisness ethic at EA?

Christ Kelly, you really are a culero. Right or wrong, this is simply none of your buisness, and it's no more fitting you should come here with this type of divisive post than Hi-tech coming on to the EA boards (should they be up at the time) and poking fun at the B-17 flight model or the fact that the AW fairey reaches up to pull the wings off a Spit doing more than 425 IAS.
 What's your aim? Do you think that by causing a comunity uproar over here that masses will quit and join AW? Think again, most would fly Fighter Ace rather than do that. Why don't you just settle back into Moggy's chair, try GE's boots to see if you like the fit, and work on improving AW. That's your only route, not this type of low tactic.

+Demo, don't be an ass. You know full well that most the fliers here are ex WB and that their insecure about being flooded with ex-AW'ers, as we would have been if the roles had been reversed. The guy has a small point; most of AW IS RR. That don't mean we can't kick but we we land here (or at least I would if I could kick that high. So far I'm just kicking 'em in the shins).

[Brat]

I am not a member of the AH community as of yet and have been a longstanding member of Airwarrior for almost 6 years.

I can tell you this much...one of the reasons behind people playing Airwarrior over AH (besides their longstanding friendships and the tight knit community) is the fact that they could afford the $9.95 a month to play.

I myself plan on becoming a member of the community, but I have no qualms paying the full price to support the product and I would imagine there are many others that feel the same. I would even be willing to pay an additional fee in order to help those that can't afford it.

Instead of arguing over discounts and rates...maybe you should all be discussing the future of a kick bellybutton flightsim that will flourish tremendously with the addition of several hundred experienced flightsim pilots.

Look to the future...with a larger player base HiTech may just be able to lower the rates across the board. It's a wise business move IMHO.

What HAS happened here is a PAID employee of EA, who has NO interest in this community or the game has come here to voice his "concern" about AH members being duped by HiTech?

Now how many of you actually feel that this is the case...that he came here...never playing the game before and not being a part of the community, and all this after a large group of Airwarriors up and left because of the changes EA had made. Do you really think his "concern" is with this community?

Again...I'm not really a part of this community so I can't say...and my opinion of Kelly Meyers is definately biased as I have personal experiences with him as a former volunteer staff member of Airwarrior and him being my boss, but I can tell you this...his post is nothing more than a means to "get revenge" at the Airwarrior community and in the same breath cause friction in the Airwarrior...Hitech...AH triangle.

Don't let him do it guys...

Kelly is losing his grip on a group of people that he likes to boss around to make himself feel like a man...and this is something he just can't bear.

[Westy]

 Animal. I appreciate your help to support my long standing  theory that $10/mo does a community body no good.

 I would like to point out one glaring error in your blither.  I am a player in these sims/games.  Always have been, always will be.  I am not an employee of HTC and I never have been  an employee of HTC. Same went for AW when I used to expound on  it's values...back when I felt it had some.

 As for the threats from Moggy? Yes. I have
all three of them. And saved on disc.

 Take care of that war wound <taps side of head> ya hear and go back to re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic Animal.  <S>

 -Westy




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[Brat]

 

Originally posted by Animal -FT:

(anti AH propaganda snipped)

"Even IF that was his ploy which I don't think it was."

Yanno Animal...just when I thought you finally had that crane extract your head from Kelly's rectum...you prove me wrong.

Incidentally everyone...Animal is a staff member of Airwarrior and Kelly's little sidekick...

So what exactly was Kelly's ploy? Was he showing true concern for a community that he has NOTHING to do with?

Hrmmm...I always thought Kelly was supposed to be this guy that was "on the players side." Kinda looks to me like he walked right in and screwed over EVERY Airwarrior that trying to move here by making them unwelcome.

Not to mention the fact that he posted a PRIVATE email.

[Animal -FT]

Glint ol pal, I like ya like hell but,.
maybe he's not going to be there much longer.
Maybe he's looking for a new home, such as you've just done. I think you're a great guy, but us  former-volunteer staff are too upset to present realistic views. One thing you need to remember is upper EA JOs made this call not kelly. Would you stop feeding your family just because your *freinds* were let go>? I think not, life preservation takes over at some point. You being who you are in RL should know this.

Again, I admire you as a person, but think about other folks finding a home just like you just did. could it be>?

just sayin bud, we're in the same boat here, we just have different views.

I think EA is choking this one down hard. they made some of the worst moves I've ever seen someone make. And maxwels silver hammer it poking them in the eye as we speak.

Lets face some basic facts of life here, the folks who are so upset here with AW is because the game was sooooo dear to them, and big money came in with promises, and when they suckkkked us all dry for info they kicked us to the curb, and took something they know nothing about,, and trashed it.

ALL Sims strive to have what AW has, and thats a real functioning community. Everyone tries to simulate it but things like that just can't be duplicated. The game is still going to be upgraded with AW4 coding. AW gave this game (AH) reason to even exist.

AH folks should be glorified for the false rumors that AW is dead. But don't let it fool you. With the coding from Aw4 Aw3 is about to give them a run for their money. Just the coding update alone is going to put AW up with if not beyond.

The thing is with Maxwells Silver Hammer hanging over head, they are forced to come out with it even faster, hence a blessing in disguise. Could be, we'll see. I can't beleive folks who care more about thier wallet then the passion of their work. But i ain't bailing just yet. ;-) In fact that is the same thing here,.. $30,. come on folks $30?

EA suits are NOT on top of my cool people list, but folks like Kelly and Mage are. I don't mix the 2, they are different.

Just aimlessly posting as I always do ;-)

Animal
(from the Ihavenomorals tribe)

 

Originally posted by Glint:
The person that posted information on AH in reference to “some big AW squads wanted to move over to Aces High but only if they get a discounted group rate of $15” is also a paid employee of EA (Electronic Arts) for the on line game of Air Warrior. So you can see where he is going with this. Talk about a “childish” reaction to folks that want to sign up with AH. Why would someone from a rival game post anything in here AH you must ask yourself. This person represents EA and they allow their employees to act like this? One has to wonder.
Alan aka Glint

 

[Fatty]

Heh.

[DoKtor GonZo]

Price is always a concern. I don't blame the AW players for trying to get a deal. But giving it to them would be an afront to the existing player base. I can see a couple of ways around this:

(a) A special "AW: A kill has been recorded" promotion for a month or two whereby the monthly rate drops to like $20 across the board to foster a migration here instead of to WB.

(b) A "refer a dweeb" program where both referred and referrer get $10 off (only one per customer) for their first month or two of billing. This would make existing AH players want to bring in their AW buddies, plus allow squads to join and get a break.

I think (b) would be the best option since it's a program which could be kept in place a long while.

    -DoK

[Animal -FT]

Hehe Westy.
Don't get me wrong, although I often am.
I am one pissed MO FO.

I agree with a lot you say, there is some logic there. Most often I am better read from between the lines.  Granted $10 a month does not cover what it takes to pay programmers etc.. to make a justifiable upgrade or game. AH relys on one game, that I know of, I can see where they HAVE to charge a lot, and it IS a lot. But point being. Both Kesmai and Ea have other games to support the sim. If EA does in fact have 200k players on UO, then the money isn't a problem as much. The problem is is HOW they use it. IF EA sticks to their plan of attack AW is in fact doomed, unless the AW4 coding does what they say it will do.

Though I understand your reasoning well, I can't justify to myself to pay that much.

The thng is when you lower prices you get more player hence maybe making more money then charging high prices, $30 is a lot to some. For folks like myself who has had all money I will ever have stripped from me $30 is a lot. You know of my hard roads, I wish I could afford the $30. truely, I gues I'll just have to watch from the side lines.

Unless someone wants to pay for tech support. <G>. I ain't never doing it for free again.

Not trying to patch the titanic,  I just hope they patch it before I drownd lol
Animal

 

Originally posted by Westy:
Animal. I appreciate your help to support my long standing  theory that $10/mo does a community body no good.

 I would like to point out one glaring error in your blither.  I am a player in these sims/games.  Always have been, always will be.  I am not an employee of HTC and I never have been  an employee of HTC. Same went for AW when I used to expound on  it's values...back when I felt it had some.

 As for the threats from Moggy? Yes. I have
all three of them. And saved on disc.

 Take care of that war wound <taps side of head> ya hear and go back to re-arranging the chairs on the Titanic Animal.  <S>

 -Westy


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[NUTTZ]

Kewl thread,( bites into sandwich)

Hiyas Kelly ( waves)Tell mage i said hello, Hiyas Westy <S>,
Hey Brat (FYYFF)

(waves at the Lurkers, Yes.. YOU!)

Maybe MOST people are from WB, but I know many, many from AW that have been here since day one ( myself included). So don't fear the AW'ers we've been hear in force all along.

I've worked under the hand of Mr. Meyers and the crew and got along fine. But I also saw the writing on the wall years ago. I, as many others that left the AW community still have a place in our hearts for AW. I've never Trash talked WB, or AW here or on their home BB's, althou i know there are some that do. I do extend my respect, and in turn expect the same.

Kelly, i wish the best for ya's over there, you seam to have a full plate now.

To steal a phrase from your boss
"My game, My rules." I hope HTC makes the right decision on this toejam stirring.

Good day, god bless, and stay off my 12, cause I'm an ex AW and I KICK bellybutton in AH!!!!!

NUTTZ (Rash)