Author Topic: Why many unsophisticated Yanks visit Europe (Pictorial/Bandwidth!) (Read 3358 times)

StSanta · « **Reply #90 on:** January 07, 2003, 10:15:03 PM »

Suave, look at the topic. Look at how Toad historically has made his points.

But alright, if you want to argue technicalities, that's fine. I'll let you. If you're unable to see it, no problem.

Toad · « **Reply #91 on:** January 07, 2003, 10:51:26 PM »

Please note I made no argument whatsover, Santa.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #92 on:** January 08, 2003, 02:53:37 AM »

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Please note I made no argument whatsover, Santa.

Okaaay Toad. The title within the current O-Club environment made the argument for you. Was it a spur of the moment thing? It had nothing to do with Beetle's recent postings?

"I know, I'll have a little rememberence ceremony today, title it 'Why unsophisticated Americans Travel to Europe' coincidentally straight after being embroiled in a thread concerning the supposed backwards ways of Americans in relation to Travel in Europe."

Not that it matters, but I find that a little hard to believe.

StSanta · « **Reply #93 on:** January 08, 2003, 04:22:46 AM »

Heheh it's good fun though.

I thought ya had passed away for a while there Toad. Late in your responses? Is age beginning to be a factor - all those joints start creaking when forced to move?

Jekyll · « **Reply #94 on:** January 08, 2003, 05:11:49 AM »

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You don't win anything by following along.
-SW

So what does that say about the US involvement in WW2?

aztec · « **Reply #95 on:** January 08, 2003, 05:17:04 AM »

Isn't the 60 percent who want to remain part of the UK protestants of Scottish descent? Not sure...just asking.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #96 on:** January 08, 2003, 05:32:09 AM »

No problem Aztec. I'm sure there are alot of protestant descendants from Scotland, in NI. But I believe in dealing with the here and now, not trying to make up events 300 years ago.

What's the alternative? Forced repatriation of 60% of the population? Removal of voting rights to that same percentage? Remuneration based on historical guilt?

I just find ignorant and plainly stupid posts like Dago's, laughably simplistic.

aztec · « **Reply #97 on:** January 08, 2003, 05:56:23 AM »

I certainly don't have the answers to the Irish situation. Stating that 60 percent of NI is loyal to the crown however seemed to be oversimplifieing a much more complicated issue. No harm intended.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #98 on:** January 08, 2003, 06:07:36 AM »

'Loyal to the Crown' sounds a little too feudal, to me.

Loyal to the State and wanting to hold British citizenship is much more accurate, I believe.

I don't think anybody really has the answers, regarding NI. Certainly not me. I think the best anyone can hope is a continuation of peace with as little killing as possible. No-one in their right minds wants to return to the dark days of the 70s, when English pubs were being blown up or the early 90s when high streets in towns were being targetted by the IRA. If you're really interested read up on the Warrington bombings in the early nineties - the use of 'panic then kill' bombs. There's a reason why there aren't litter bins on British railway stations.

BTW, the referendum on the Good Friday agreement which set in motion peaceful resolution of the Troubles had 89% support in NI - that cuts across all denominations/ethnic groups.

Unfortunately, it would seem America has now had its experience with terrorism on home soil, and the restrictions that come with it.

beet1e · « **Reply #99 on:** January 08, 2003, 07:03:49 AM »

Dowding - what is the history behind the setting up of Northern Ireland? I remember doing a bit on this at school: 95% of Ireland was Catholic, but the 5% Protestant had all the power and wealth - or something close. I seem to remember that the country was divided -"Catholic Emancipation" so that the Catholics could goven themselves.

Worth remembering that only Ulster (Northern Ireland) is part of the UK. Southern Ireland (Eire) is a separate European Union member state these days.

Daff · « **Reply #100 on:** January 08, 2003, 07:15:22 AM »

"BTW how did that gun control thing work out for Northern Ireland last century ?"

The militants went abroad and bought guns with money largely recieved from the US...this only really stopped after 9/11 when you guys finally realised that terrorism was a bad thing.

Daff

Toad · « **Reply #101 on:** January 08, 2003, 08:37:40 AM »

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Dowding:

..straight after being embroiled in a thread concerning the supposed backwards ways of Americans in relation to Travel in Europe."

Embroiled? Check the thread. I posted once. Someone asked how many Yanks hold passports; made me curious. I couldn't find a total but I found that ~6 million get new passports every year since ~'96.

So I posted passport data. Embroiled?

It did make me curious though as to what the reaction would be to pictures of American cemetaries in Europe would be. Thus, I posted this thread with essentially no comment.

Yes, the title would lead those involved in the "traveling Yanks" thread to look it over. That was my intent.

However, I DID NOT take any position or make an argument like "we saved your a**es" or "no one else sacrificed".

I find it very interesting how folks reacted to a simple list/showing of US military cemetaries in Europe. Very interesting to see which emotions leap first off their keyboards.

And that was the point of the exercise. For me. Not for anyone else.

Santa... you'll note I did not comment for ~ 24 hours.

Curval · « **Reply #102 on:** January 08, 2003, 08:47:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Agreed, but if Toad were to deny the fact that this wasn't in some small way a vieled attempt to say "We Saved Your Ass" he'd be telling fibs.

Fibber

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #103 on:** January 08, 2003, 08:50:19 AM »

Oh, so it was a social experiment? Well I'm very grateful to be a subject of your thesis. Do condescend to let me know when you publish - you can email me the abstract if you like.

You were stirring the pot just to see the reaction. Hey, that reminds me of someone!

"Prepare to deploy smokescreen!"

"Smokescreen deployed."

Toad · « **Reply #104 on:** January 08, 2003, 09:33:11 AM »

Curval, you are simply wrong.

Dowding, it wasn't a social experiment. I would call it a "filter" for my own future personal use.

That's the truth, for both of you. If you don't believe it, I can't change that.