NOTHING AGAINST AW BUT......

[Ratbo]

Originally posted by Dinger:
[QB]

AW is dead.  This isn't AW. Get over it.

Umm Dinger sir?

AH as it *was* before the great AW invasion is equally in the past. The times they are a changin'.  Get over it.

-W

[Apache]

Originally posted by Ratbo:

Originally posted by Dinger:
[QB]

AW is dead.  This isn't AW. Get over it.

Umm Dinger sir?

AH as it *was* before the great AW invasion is equally in the past. The times they are a changin'.  Get over it.

-W

lol, can't argue with that one. Good point  

[Am0n]

IF i read another player in channel 1 say "i owned joo!" (in a serious manner) im going to get sick on my self.

I quit playing quake like game because of the idiot kids and if the quake like flight sim brought this about, pls make it stop.

Other than that, welcome to AH and use the Oclub to talk about AW.

[FT_Animal]

lol+
That's not a troll, that's a religion,  <G>

<Snips line and offers a straight jacket>

<cough>stereotype<cough>

;P
~A

 

Originally posted by DamnedBuzzard:


Hail Seeker (secret elitist handshake)
Nice bait. You prefer a  floating or a sinking tip line with that?

[DoKtor GonZo]

I dunno ... I don't think the AW:RR folks will have as hard a time as y'all think. I always felt that part of the reason AW needed RR arenas was that the realism flight effects weren't all that well implemented. Stall and spin characteristics in AH are predictable and feel - well - life like, at least. Gunnery is obviously different, but again, it is predictable - something that I never felt even WB had.

It may be that the AW:RR folks gravitate to bombers and ground attack for a while, but that's fine too.

[Seeker]

"I dunno ... I don't think the AW:RR folks will have as hard a time as y'all think. "

Well, one has to bow to the expert; AH's flight model is certainly much, much easier than an AW FR flyer is used to; but it still nonetheless rewards a bit of understanding of physics and aerodynamics that would be far beyond the attention span of most RR's to master.

Still, if you can't fly, you can always "strat". You don't have to be a hot stick to be "good at flight sims" these days.

[Ratbo]

For Chrissakes Seeker. You got any more chum in das boot ??

-W


 

Originally posted by Seeker:
"I dunno ... I don't think the AW:RR folks will have as hard a time as y'all think. "

Well, one has to bow to the expert; AH's flight model is certainly much, much easier than an AW FR flyer is used to; but it still nonetheless rewards a bit of understanding of physics and aerodynamics that would be far beyond the attention span of most RR's to master.

Still, if you can't fly, you can always "strat". You don't have to be a hot stick to be "good at flight sims" these days.

[Dinger]

And what's wrong with a 2-country war involving scripted missions on a MMP scale?

Yes, even those of us who've never played AW are aware of its place in the history of MMP flight sims; but what the hell does that have to do with turning AH into AW4?
The idea of AW is dead.  Derivative ideas do continue.
Whether the AW community is alive is open to discussion.  What kind of existence will it have after the plug is pulled on AW?  Whatever the case, one thing is certain: when playing AH or posting on these boards, you are participating in the AH community.
And, whoever it was was absolutely right in pointing out that this community, like any other, is fluid.  The influx of a thousand new players is going to cause changes.  That's fine by me.  But don't come here looking for AW4, and don't try to give me bogus historical explanations for why AH is AW4. It isn't.  We know it's largely the same market, and it's largely the same idea (too much the same idea, frankly.  Visionary for 1986 is boring arena play in 2001)
And all this ridiculous airquake nonsense has got to stop.
Dinger
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[FT_Animal]

Obviously your attention span is very narrow and short.

This is a flame troll most often seen by Seeker and most often found in BW. He has the "We are better then you are " attitude most known in AW as "FR Elitest".

RR players chose their stick in their own way to have fun. FR folks chose their stick for their own style of fun.

It doesn't place RR below or above FR, it places them it what they chose to have fun at. And without the RR player base AW would have folded years ago. Those RR pilots you tend to knock paved the way for the game to stay in business, for YOU. Something you can't see the forest for the trees are in the way.

If you like to place yourself on the self proclaimed FR elitest pedistal that's your puragotive. Did you ever hear a RR player knock a FR pilots on his choice of arena>? NO

It's folks like you making yourself mightier then thou, that the "FR Elitest" name was born.

Like they say, you're a legion in your own mind.

Of course if they do impliment macros it would be funny to see..

"Seeker shot down by former RR pilot"

<GGG>

Can I have your autograph after the show>?

<rolls eyes>

;-)
Animal (FT)

 

Originally posted by Seeker:
"I dunno ... I don't think the AW:RR folks will have as hard a time as y'all think. "

Well, one has to bow to the expert; AH's flight model is certainly much, much easier than an AW FR flyer is used to; but it still nonetheless rewards a bit of understanding of physics and aerodynamics that would be far beyond the attention span of most RR's to master.

Still, if you can't fly, you can always "strat". You don't have to be a hot stick to be "good at flight sims" these days.

[Arlo]

Reminder: Never confuse a game with a community.

 That's twice - don't make me hafta staple a note to your forehead.

 Here's a seperate note (I have plenty of staples in the gun, so listen up): Get over it yourself. People who start piss and moan threads so the other four people who agree with `em can walk into it wearing their "I'm with stupid" t-shirts (arrow pointing up half the time) and pat `em on the back for peeing in their diapers so well pretty much are just eating their own dung in public.

 Uh uh .... staplegun.

[SB]

Originally posted by Dinger:
And what's wrong with a 2-country war involving scripted missions on a MMP scale?
Dinger
31337157

First off you'll end up with wildly swinging numbers of players and gangbangs on both sides.

Second, if you try to force equality in numbers there will be player resentment. After all they choose to pay for a game, shouldn't they have a choice in what side they play on?

Third, scripted missions starting every so often and running a set amount of time means that some poor Joe Schmoo gets in 5 minutes late and has to wait 2 hours to get in on the next mission.

Fourth, you want the limited resources at HTC spending time on scripted missions instead of improving this game and adding new aircraft? I'm all for getting an early war plane set in for the BoB scenario when possible and a wider range of late war stuff in to expand on the fun in the MA.

The arena style play is a fluid open style of play that appeals to people that come in to fly one 30 minute mission and others that come in to fly all day. AW tried the auto scenario route and failed. It was a combination of things that caused it to fail but while it was fun for a while as a novelity it got boring quickly. Too many times there were people coming in just to disrupt the canned mission. It wasn't a lot of fun for those trying to get into it.

[DamnedBuzzard]

Originally posted by FT_Animal:
[qb]


If you like to place yourself on the self proclaimed FR elitest pedistal that's your puragotive. Did you ever hear a RR player knock a FR pilots on his choice of arena>? NO

That's prerogative..and of course we've all seen RR dweebs attempting to tell us how much harder RR is. But most of them spell so poorly and mix thier metaphors so they're hard to understand.

 

[qb]
It's folks like you making yourself mightier then thou, that the "FR Elitest" name was born.

Holier than thou....Amazon has copies of Bartlett's for sale I'm sure. The term FR elitist was born because FR flyers are and were the elite.

 

[qb]
Like they say, you're a legion in your own mind.

That's legend. The first requirement to attain that status of course is to have a mind. My guess is Amazon's out of those.


;-)
Animal (FT)

[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: DamnedBuzzard ]

[J_A_B]

"but it still nonetheless rewards a bit of understanding of physics and aerodynamics that would be far beyond the attention span of most RR's to master."

I disagree.

I flew RR, a lot, enough to know one undeniable fact:  AW RR felt more realistic than AW FR did.  AW's spin model was FUBAR, and the joystick-based blackout model was even worse.

IMO, with the exception of the nosebounce, AH basically feels like AW RR.  I sure haven't had too much difficulty adjusting (not to say I particularily like AH, but at least I can get my plane off the ground and sometimes get my guns on target).

Seeker, you blasted FR weenie!  

J_A_B

[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: J_A_B ]

[Dinger]

Giggle Arlo.  And don't think that the game isn't essential to the community.  Sure there are some who fly and don't hang out, and others who hang out and don't fly, but without the game at the center of it, it's dead.
I'll piss my diapers any time I want.  Most of you seem to have missed the point.  Air Warriors will be always be Air Warriors -- that's fine, just as long as they recognize that this isn't AW, and that their dreams of what AW could be died with the game.  It's time to build a new world.
And destroy these notions such as "scripted missions fail because of the griefers".  We haven't had much of a problem with griefers until the latest batch of people signed up.  

AW experience is useful, but it doesn't translate 100 percent to every online game out there.

The balance issue can also be solved.  You know that it is possible to make missions compensate for balance.

In any case, having experienced 2-, 3- and 4- country wars, I haven't seen one model produce more balanced results than any other.  We still get ridiculous imbalances with 3, worse than what I ever saw with two or four.

The notion "let the players fly any plane they want" I find the most limiting of all.  It means that in the MA only a handful of mission profiles are going to be effective.
I like to fly the 202, for example, but the plane doesn't have a chance against late-war cannonbirds.

[Rotorian]

Originally posted by Dinger:
 It's time to build a new world.

Sure, HTC already has our version of the world as it should be.  It cost us several of the prime virgin sheep stock, but a small price to pay with the eventual payoffs.