Author Topic: Capitalism is a pain in the arse (Read 4000 times)

blitz · « **on:** January 11, 2003, 08:41:41 AM »

Capitalism has proven its superiority over socialism when it comes to economy, no doubt about it.

But how could something bad like socialism ever developp?

Because capitalism is the damn most awful thing in the world.

Just 1 example: Ever heard about 'Manchester Capitalism'?

Little children workin in factories together with their parents like slaves, 16 hours a day, diyin like flies because of horrible life and work conditions.

Was these conditions which inspired people like 'Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels' to wrote the 'Kommunistisches Manifest'.

They were good people, tryin to make the world better just like many others, Che Guevarra', 'Fidel Castro' etc, etc.

Yes, socialism/communism failed bigtime, costs millions of lives, in fact it will never work because it assumes that people are good and they aren't but it was born because capitalism was a pain in the arse.

Our life conditions have been pretty good in the last 60 years in the western world, not although their was so called socialism but because of it.

Western world needed to show their people that capitalism system is superior or they might would have switched to socialism.

Now socialism is dead and there's no need to still be good or fair for our economic system.

I expect nothin good in the future. This diddlyin system will destroy all we love because there's only 1 value that counts within it.

Morality? Friendship? Peace? Nature? Solidarity? Humanity?

You know it! MONEY

Capitalism will destroy democracy, in fact, big companies dictates politicions already what to do.

Don't know a solution myself but a social order build on money as the 'Holy Gral' won't work in the long terms.

Your thoughts?

Regards Blitz

DA98 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2003, 08:58:57 AM »

My thought is... is your flamesuit ready?

Urchin · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2003, 09:11:14 AM »

. I am reasonably certain that at some point in the future 'political' countries will cease to exist, and they will be replaced by 'countries' that are in fact corporate entities.

It really is fascinating, thinking about the future, since it is (well duh) the future, and almost anything can happen.

To some extent its already starting to happen, our (the U.S.) government represents more a collection of corporate interests than any representation of private individuals.

I do see the U.S. going to war over in Iraq, and probably occupying it for quite some time, allowing American oil companies to get entrenched over there and installing a puppet government that is quite happy to have 75% of the country owned by American oil companies, as long as it can have whatever dregs of power are left over after the corporations get done.

Thrawn · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2003, 09:15:40 AM »

Unrestrained Capitalism is just as bad a unrestrained Communism.

There is a happy balance somewhere in the middle.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2003, 10:24:02 AM »

yep, thrawn.

on almost all political issues the best course is usually somewhere near the middle. the problem is that most of your 'middle of the road' moderate types are too busy earning a living to do the political thing.

when the media goes and looks for quotes on issues the find the wackos out on the fringe at either end and interview them. that way they can say they are unbiased and have represented both sides of an issue.

extream idiots have taken over both political partys.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2003, 10:25:09 AM »

Uhhhm...

Karl Marx was able to write his book because he lived with and was taken care of finiancially by a waelthy factory owner's son, one Friedrich Engels - So not only was he wrong in his idiotic and destructive socioeconomic ideas he was certainly a hypocrite and quite possibly a homosexual....

lazs2 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2003, 10:26:54 AM »

government is evil.. the less you have of it the better. many people who's governments have raped them into poverty feel that the only way to survive is with.... more and stronger govenment... they are wrong. You cant tax yourself into prosperity. It would be nice if you could simply make all the bright and achievers slaves to work for the poor but it doesn't work that way.
lazs

Urchin · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2003, 10:37:41 AM »

Sorry Lazs, I disagree. Government is nescesary to protect people from other people. If we had no government regulations, we'd basically be living in one vast free for all. Could people survive? Absolutely. Would life be brutal and short? Absolutely.

I think in order for humanity to thrive, organization is nescesary. I don't think we are thriving right now. I think with one government (a world government), we could be expanding into space right now, possibly looking for other worlds to colonize. And I think if we get a world government (that is truly united, that it not one country ruling all the other countries... but no countries, just a world) we could probably get all this done in less than a century.

lazs2 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2003, 10:45:13 AM »

urchin.... you are not allowed to dissagree. There is a law.

less government is better... it will allways creep up so the best thing to do is to get rid of as much as possible. One world government would simply mean that they could concentrate on enslaving us more easily.
lazs

blitz · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2003, 10:46:23 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Uhhhm...

Karl Marx was able to write his book because he lived with and was taken care of finiancially by a waelthy factory owner's son, one Friedrich Engels - So not only was he wrong in his idiotic and destructive socioeconomic ideas he was certainly a hypocrite and quite possibly a homosexual....

That's right Gruen but what did that say?

These guys could have lean back, make career and amuse themselfes as most rich do but they just couldn't stand what they saw around.

Regards blitz

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #10 on:** January 11, 2003, 10:46:54 AM »

Unregulated capitalism is bad - the best case of this are monopolies which raise prices and limit quantities to maximize their profits.

However what blitz is saying is simply @(&*^% !!!!

Blitz here's something to make you feel better when you arent saving the world from capitalism by burning down a starbucks..

Enjoy Comrade!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2003, 10:52:55 AM »

Uhhhm it says that Marx and Engels were living off somebody elses money - that of Engel's hard working factory director father.... No wonder they they were so comfortable with a system that stole money from capable people...

They were hypocrites....

Hey Blitz if you hate capitalism sooo much and long for the glory days of the DDR I would be more than happy to take all your money and reduce you to poverty level, just e-mail me for an address where to send the check or I can setup a paypal account if that's better for you..

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2003, 10:57:08 AM »

WOW I did not see this first time through Blitz:

"They were good people, tryin to make the world better just like many others, Che Guevarra', 'Fidel Castro' etc, etc. "

diddly You squeak, go to hell you whoopeeed communist. Fools like you are responsible for all the hundred and more million people murdered by these degenerate power hungry savages.

Unbelivable!!!!

blitz · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2003, 11:05:47 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
WOW I did not see this first time through Blitz:

"They were good people, tryin to make the world better just like many others, Che Guevarra', 'Fidel Castro' etc, etc. "

diddly You squeak, go to hell you whoopeeed communist. Fools like you are responsible for all the hundred and more million people murdered by these degenerate power hungry savages.

Unbelivable!!!!

Don't ya panic Gruen ; D

I'll stick with Winson Churchill

'Who isn't a communist at the age of 20 , has no heart.
Who still is a communist at 30 just has no brains '

Regards blitz

Dowding · « **Reply #14 on:** January 11, 2003, 11:08:58 AM »

Nice response, Grunherz. Logical, reasonable and well-founded with reliable sources. One of your best yet.

Blitz - I agree pretty much 100%. Sadly, I don't think politics for the people will survive another 100 years. Multi-national corporations will be buying some of the smaller third world countries pretty soon. After all, their profits alone eclipse their GDP even now. Imagine the 'progress' by the 22nd century.

Maybe someone will devise a different way of doing things.