Author Topic: Buffing: hard work to be undone in minutes  (Read 1674 times)

Offline Keez

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« on: November 15, 2001, 03:39:00 AM »
Yesterday, me and my bombersquadron buddies decided to make a dangerous raid on the city of the Rooks or Knights, I forgot on who. Anyways, we had to fly past three enemy airfields, and at every airfield enemy fighters came up to meet us. We fought a nail-biting battle to get to our target, but we downed five fighters, of which one was a 262, without losing one bomber. We dropped our bombs succesfully and turned around to fight a nail-biting battle to get back home.

So far so good, was all great fun, excactly the reason why I joined a bombergroup, but then it happened... fifteen minutes later, most of the city was back up. They had been gooning like crazy.

What the heck is this?   :eek: Is bombing being discouraged? We weren't even out of enemy airspace and most of the damage had been undone. Same thing with airfields: we fly long to get high and to the target, bomb the crap out of a base, one train and: voila, a brand new base. I dont generally whine about every aspect of the game that I dont like, but this just tastes bitter after a long struggle to destroy a target.

I hope that Hi Tech will look into this sometime. It would be nice if the work you did would last a bit.

Oh yes, and we're recruiting too   ;)

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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2001, 04:44:00 AM »
Calling Rude...    :D

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2001, 05:42:00 AM »
I totally agree with this post.


Strategic bombing is bollocks now, there's just no point.

It's all very well having resupply and trains and whatnot for tactical bombing targets but AI resupply should take at least 1/2 an hour......more if intercepted by jabo.

Strat targets should damn well stay down for hours, not minutes.

 

[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: Swoop ]

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2001, 06:10:00 AM »
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So far so good, was all great fun, excactly the reason why I joined a bombergroup...

I call your attention to the obvious.  ;)

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2001, 06:52:00 AM »
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I call your attention to the obvious.   ;)

Well I joined for the fun of pushing home deep strikes, not for the targets to be completely rebuild, brand new, after a couple of minutes.

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2001, 07:53:00 AM »
Agree 100%! The Buccs don't even bother with strat targets since resupply was implemented. Certain targets should be worth defending because they can't be instantly rebuilt, and because their loss would cause a measureable detrimental effect on the war effort.  Not a crippling blow, mind you...just a tangible one.

If nothing else changes regarding the Strat System in AH, please make the strat targets immune to resupply.

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2001, 07:54:00 AM »
agreed.  See my post on revamping the strat system for further discussion on the topic.

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2001, 08:01:00 AM »
Concur.

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2001, 08:03:00 AM »
So... fluffing is no fun unless you can "have an affect on the game"?  or, in other words... flying the things is no fun unless you can spoil the fun of a lot of other guys?

It was a lot of fun to do for you but it was all ruined for you when you didn't get attention??   Effort?  what effort?  Skill?  what skill?  How could you miss?   A WWII bomber formation never knew if they destroyed the target they set out to hit and 99% of the time they didn't..   Factories were back up and running as the bombers were being chased home.  It took multiple raids over weeks to destroy targets and sometimes not even then.  
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2001, 08:07:00 AM »
Damnit Lazs. Beat me to it.

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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2001, 08:59:00 AM »
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So... fluffing is no fun unless you can "have an affect on the game"?  or, in other words... flying the things is no fun unless you can spoil the fun of a lot of other guys?

It was a lot of fun to do for you but it was all ruined for you when you didn't get attention??   Effort?  what effort?

Hey! How about when you shoot down a fighter with your uber skills, which are superior the the inferior buff people, how would you like it if that plane respawned right back in front of ya, at 20K? Over and over again... That's what it's like, with your immature attention story.

You're so afraid that buffs might "spoil" your fun? Sounds to me like you dont have what it takes to shoot down a formation. Let us be, sometimes we take 15 or 20 minutes to get to a target, so we can never do a lot of damage in a short time. And we dont ruin your fun, our squadron concentrates on cities, factories and such, to make the job for the JABO's and fighters easier.

Hell yeah we wanna have an effect on the game. We fly long, we risk having flown for 15 minutes only to be killed seconds before the bombdrop. We constantly need to be on the lookout for fighters and when they come, there is no running away. Hell yeah we want that damage we have worked so hard for, lasts.

It is our idea of fun, and I can imagine that it isn't yours. But leave us be, if you would take the effort to come up and meet us and our escortfighters, you might actually have a chance to stop us from hitting your precious city. If you stay down there, having your arcade style mass furball, then dont you complain that the bombers can do so much damage with so little effort.

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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2001, 09:02:00 AM »
The work around is to have fighters cap the damage you inflicted, so they can waste the resupply efforts.

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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2001, 09:25:00 AM »
Agreed, strat targets are now worthless

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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2001, 09:25:00 AM »
Sorry you didnt enjoy your mission because a goon pilot was on the ball. He didnt like being in the dark to give you your fun I guess.
I would think the strat systems big reason for existance was to get bombers and fighters contesting the same airspace..
Sounds like that happend.
What was the problem again?

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2001, 09:26:00 AM »
ATC, I'd like to see you try to keep a group of fighters together 3 fields deep in nme territory long enough to make a notable difference on resupply. Goons are coming in low for supply which means you gots to be low to get em, then their buddies in fighters arent just gonna let you prance around downing goons all day, that doesn count the fact that have the force you left with is back furballing at the first nme airfield you passed   ;)