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« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2001, 12:04:00 PM »
Don: Actually, you've touched on a very interesting topic.  It is a fact that heavy bombers were only sparodically used against airfields throughout the war.  That was due as much to doctrinal thinking as to any conclusion made as to its effectiveness.  It will be interesting indeed once 1.09 comes out to see what effect a force of 30 or 40 B-17s or Lancs will do to an airfield when they dump 180,000 - 560,000 lbs of bombs across it in one pass.  Killing bombers may indeed become the number-1 priority in AH, as it was for the Luftwaffe over Europe.  The difference here of course is that every side will have the means to do what only Great Britain and the USA were able to do back than; i.e. put up large formations of heavy bombers.

Needless to say, adjustments to the amount of bomb damage required to take out buildings and such will need to be looked at, as will gunner leathality and such. Heavy flak defenses will need to be adjusted as well.  And before anyone panicks before 1.09 even gets here, remember that HTC wants to insure that the maximum number of paying costomers gets the maximum enjoyment from playing in the MA.  Different things will be tried and those that work will be kept, while those that don't will be rejected.  I for one am looking forward to it.

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« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2001, 12:21:00 PM »
"Killing bombers may indeed become the number-1 priority in AH"

 Just for the record, killing buffs is one of my highest priorities when online.   ;)

"I would love to see Lazs, Creamo, Fatty, AKDejaVu, and maybe Ripsnort on "weakest link".

<snork!> That I'd pay to watch  :)

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« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2001, 12:29:00 PM »
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Keez:
If you want to TAKE a field or city, you don't want the field to regen and, you need cooperation. The military adage rises to the fore: Bombers do not take territory, ground troops do. And for that you need others to help the effort.
You brought up a point which led to another point, and IMO, there is a definite correlation. The only thing I'm missing here is what the purpose of your mission was, which led to your frustration of the city/field whatever having regened?   :)

Ok I know I said I retired from this discussion, but I want to make this clear.

People often refer to a field's town as a "city". While it is in fact the town. This leads to confusion since there already is a big target know as th๋ city, namely that big square with nice targets in em that make factories regenerate slower when hit.

We were not after a Town. We were after a city so that we could do some more strikes after that to make the downtime of the ack 4 times longer, for example. Or to make sure your fuel didn't come back 4 times as long when it has been hit at a field.

We are not idiots. Ofcourse we dont set out to hit the town of a field that is deep in enemy territory.   :rolleyes:

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« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2001, 02:21:00 PM »
karnak what others on this board state as thier opinion on buffs is roadkill when you look online and see the majority of folks are involved in huge furbals.

They can say all they want about wanting something more then just furballing but especially the past few weeks I've seen over 50 man furballs spread out over the map. So these other opinions dont line up with observation.

The will to furball is only surpassed by their will to gangbang and vulch.

So it stands to reason that if a good majority are furballing/gangbanging/vulching then the fluffer that comes to  one of the fields where the action is and takes out the fhs then fun times over till the next one pops up.

I dont how many polls or opinions folks make just look at the map in the main.

What activity are most guys involved? It aint fluffin or jaboing.

I enjoy a good ground attack mission and I fly buffs and no one is stopping anyone from doing so.

But these threads are always started by some whiny buffer about how hard it is or how they get no help or how ineffective their 4 hour tour of the map was.

Well so what.

Most folks arent buffing or care that much about it. Again look at the map where most folks are at. Around some furball or gangbanged base.

Lazs' observations are dead bang on the money proven not by poll or opinion but by observed fact.

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« Reply #79 on: November 16, 2001, 02:29:00 PM »
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Love him or hate him, he's awfully darn funny! I would love to see Lazs, Creamo, Fatty, AKDejaVu, and maybe Ripsnort on "weakest link".

You actually watch that show?  Wow.

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« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2001, 02:36:00 PM »
Weakest link?  What is it, and have I been insulted?  Just want to know so I can buy 2 plane tickets to the con next year.  :D

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« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2001, 02:47:00 PM »
Wotan,

That was an intersting post, but it had very little to do with what I said.

I don't hear a huge clamor here, or online, about buffs ruining the fun.

Yes, most people are engaged in furballs, or BnZ combat, e.g. fighter flight.  Most of those seem to be aimed at moving the borders.

Most people seem to feel that there is enough room for all these different things in AH. This is not just my assumption, I have asked.

Laz seems to think quite differently.
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« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2001, 03:12:00 PM »
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What activity are most guys involved? It aint fluffin or jaboing.

Let's not forget that most of those furballs started with JABO attacks, Woton, with a desire to capture and defend the base. Why? In my opinion, it's because a majority of the players in a country want to win the war, or at least to improve their country's overall strategic position.

 
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Most folks arent buffing or care that much about it. Again look at the map where most folks are at. Around some furball or gangbanged base.

While the numbers participating in level bombing are without question in the minority, and likely always will be, their current scarcity in the arena could just as likely be because there is little reason for them to do so.  I believe that was the point of the original post.  I don't dispute your evidence; only the conclusion you draw from it.  Again, just my opinion.

BTW, Karnak, nice response.

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« Reply #83 on: November 16, 2001, 03:22:00 PM »
FWIW, I don't care a bit how anyone plays, nor do I care if someone advocates a type of play for themselves. What I DO care about is when someone tries to tell me what kind of fun I should be having.

Telling me I couldn't be having fun because I chose to ignore a high bomber because A) I couldn't possibly reach him before the load drops and B) I don't want to give him the satisfaction of a possible fighter kill is definitely wrong. If I choose to chase the buff, I will. If I don't, I won't. I won't be forced to under any circumstances; If he closes the base I simply move on to the next one. If he closes them all, I log.

Wheee, aren't we having fun now!?

Go ahead and buff, no prob. I might even do a sortie once in a while. But I would never be arrogant enough to say the game should be changed so that people would have to chase my bomber all over the arena because the damage I can inflict is all out of proportion to the number of people playing.

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« Reply #84 on: November 16, 2001, 05:19:00 PM »
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was a post here but this been whooped to death go check out the other 2 or 3 threads that reached 100+ replies if ya give a toejame........

but I suspect most dont and I reached that conclusion on my own, didn't even ask 1 person

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« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2001, 10:23:00 AM »
The damage fluffs do is out of proportion to the skill required to do it.  The effect one person can have on the game is too high.

The arena is proof of what people want to do.

B&Z is a legitamate tactic so long as your plane is not untouchable by the average plane in the arena.  51's, D9's, -4's etc. do not belong in the same area of the arena as the mid war planes.   The mid war planes do not belong in the same area of the arena as the (as yet unimplemented) early war planes.   If you wish to have such a huge advantage over the majority simply because you are a little more patient and immune to boredom... then you are.... wrong.   Certainly, right now, the game is set up so that you can do all these things but... You should not be upset when people point out your cowardice/lack of skill.

The front needs to move faster and fields shouldn't be shut down to fighters by a lone suicide/milkrunning/no talent fluffer.  

Who would you suggest get the duty of high alt cap to shoot down the aforementioned fluffer while everyone else is having fun?  I don't see you guys doing it.   Which one of you is doing that???

To say that the people enjoying a good meele are not pissed when one (reread descrition) "fluffer" drops the fighter hangers...  That is moronic.
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« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2001, 10:27:00 AM »
Kieran,

I did not say that HO-furballers should not have fun (it is your own problem if you identify yourself as one of them). I was saying that if their "fun" is spoiled by FHs getting destroyed, they should DO SOMETHING to protect their fun instead of whining on how it is getting spoiled by others who play the game the way it can be played. Yes, it is a game, sometimes one wins sometimes he loses... why shouldnt the losses count and affect the big scenario.

Duelling arena is a perfect place for furballs!


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« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2001, 10:35:00 AM »
honest... i don't even know the guy!
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« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2001, 11:27:00 AM »
The irony in the original post here is hilarious.

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« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2001, 07:05:00 PM »
:)

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