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Offline lazs1

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« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2001, 02:48:00 PM »
and wotan... guess that "How to Mesmerize People by simple Repetition" book I bought was money well spent.
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« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2001, 02:52:00 PM »
Well, I believe it means the strat aspect of the game should be left alone for the time being, at least until we see the impact of so many bombers over a target. I suspect what we will have is more heavy bombers over cities, and more tactical bombers over the airfields. We'll see how it shakes out in the end, though.

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« Reply #62 on: November 15, 2001, 04:13:00 PM »
Ah well...so much for keeping it civil and respectful.  Lazs, people won't log off, because they didn't before and they don't now (at least not in appreciable numbers).  They simply move to another field.  Your remarks, repetative as they are, seem to point to a lack of knowledge on military history and doctrine.  It was quite possible to temporarily disrupt meaningful operations at fighter fields.  The Luftwaffe did it during the Battle of Britain, and the Allies did it in the Battle for the Continent.  

It becomes clear to me that what you want out of Aces High is different than what some (not all, but some) others want.  Some want to fly WWII aircraft in the context of a larger war.  If I read you right, that larger war has no place in the MA.  "Let them do scenarios if they want strategy," is your battlecry.  Again I ask, who's trying to exclude whom now?  There is a balance to be found, if we but search for it, and are tolerant of a little experimentation.

The game part of it, the wargame as it were, has to exist; it can't just be about shooting down other fighters, because such a sim would die on the vine.  People in general need a reason to play beyond simply shooting the other guy down. The ability to win the war by taking all the enemy's fields/bases provides that.  The ability to affect how easy or had it is to capture/defend those bases is where strat comes in. Capturing fields has to be hard enough that a single player can't do it, but easy enough that you don't need an armada.  To allow fighters to re-spawn at a field without restriction (even after flattening the field) is the ultimate in "gameyness," and I doubt I'll find many that disagree.  Of course, perhaps I've missunderstood you here; correct me if I am off the mark on what your position is on this.

I whole-heartedly support the ability to temporarily prevent operations at a field by killing the hangers, and to restrict availibility of ordnance and fuel by killing those items.  I also believe preventing the convoy from reaching the base (either by killing the convoy or smashing the depot) should have a detrimental effect on operations at that base, but that's a whole nother thread  :D.

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« Reply #63 on: November 15, 2001, 04:22:00 PM »
Kess I dont under stand strat.....lol

JV44 Wurger-Staffel is always number 1(or close to it) in fluffs.

Check past 5 tours or so.

Dont tell me about strat.........

Its you that make posts about how thankless or pointless your 4 hour fluff raid ended up.

buffs take off by them selves auto climb auto level then are able to hit targets with laser accurracy can out manuver most planes at alt and as longs as the gunner his half way competant he has the potential to kill out to d1500.

with these capabilities so what if your fluff flight ended up being pointless.  

There has been a million posts about buffs if you have fun and enjoyed wasting your time then great.

Go enjoy it but when you enter the public arena looking for sympathy well you'll get none here.

so fluff away.

btw the strat system didnt change while you were in flight so its seems either you failed to understand it or needed to be reminded of how it works by how fast the city rebuilt.

[ 11-15-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]

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« Reply #64 on: November 15, 2001, 04:49:00 PM »
New Host Message today:
A change was made today on the supply system.
10 C-47 Base Supplies now = 1 Vehicle supply.
Each C-47 supply does 9% of base rebuild times.
It takes 7 C-47s to resupply a city.

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« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2001, 07:39:00 PM »
Well! Would you look at that! Sweet.

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« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2001, 10:23:00 PM »
Yeah, you gotta love these HTC guys!

Thanks HT, Pyro, Nate, Supe, Yankee and Ronnie!

What a game, what a company!
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« Reply #67 on: November 16, 2001, 08:37:00 AM »
I completely agree with you Keez!!!

Re-supply is too easy and too effective. There should be more reward for such bombing raids and thus more motivation for buffs to fly.... this would also provide fighters more targets  :)  (I dont fly buffs too often myself)

Just forget the stupid counter arguments from HO-furballers who get upset if their hangars are destroyed and thus their "fun" being spoiled. These guys should be made to defend their precious hangars just like others do.


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« Reply #68 on: November 16, 2001, 09:08:00 AM »
Keez:
I didnt miss yer point, and IMO whether its a city or a base doesn't mean much. The issue is resupply and regen. IMO cooperation and effects of the cooperation would have taken that city connected to the field or whatever. In the MA, unless someone goes thru the work of gathering people for a joint mission, it doesn't happen. So, a deep mission to destroy a city is for what purpose? And what difference did it make to have it regen faster than you wanted it to? Meanwhile, there has been a change in the MA, multiple goons are required to resupply a field/city whatever, and many will take said multiple goons to a damaged field to resupply it. How fast depends on the people who decide to fix the field. So, it is still very possible for a buff group to be frustrated and see a field regen before they get outta nme territory. Now, cooperation is a tougher nut. If you want to TAKE a field or city, you don't want the field to regen and, you need cooperation. The military adage rises to the fore: Bombers do not take territory, ground troops do. And for that you need others to help the effort.
You brought up a point which led to another point, and IMO, there is a definite correlation. The only thing I'm missing here is what the purpose of your mission was, which led to your frustration of the city/field whatever having regened?  :)

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« Reply #69 on: November 16, 2001, 09:18:00 AM »
Rojo:
Buffs ought to be used as strategic assets primarily. They might be used tactically but, in "real life" they were less than successful unless they were hitting railyards etc. Jabos (in WW2) did far more damage in tactical roles than large 4 engined buffs. Vaders did better than the big ones also. If accuracy is the question, then a 30k buff simply is not equipped to hit a gnats arse in a pickle jar from that alt, unless it dropped all of its eggs to hit one broad area, in the hope that 1 or 2 eggs would hit home.
I see the big buff as useful in hitting large depots and railyards, sub pens etc.
Also, the B17 was notorious for NOT being able to hit manuevering nme shipping from hi alts; it was discovered that they were not useful in that role.

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« Reply #70 on: November 16, 2001, 10:13:00 AM »
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 Just forget the stupid counter arguments from HO-furballers who get upset if their hangars are destroyed and thus their "fun" being spoiled. These guys should be made to defend their precious hangars just like others do.


Excuse me, I don't tell you how to have fun. Don't deign to do so for me, either.  :mad:

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« Reply #71 on: November 16, 2001, 10:33:00 AM »
"Just forget the stupid counter arguments from HO-furballers who get upset if their hangars are destroyed and thus their "fun" being spoiled. These guys should be made to defend their precious hangars just like others do."

Yep... this isn't a game damnit!  How dare people have fun when there is work to do.  Thanks for making my point bluk... again.

disclaimer... blauk and I do not know each other and are not conspiring to make strat guys look ridiculous.   We are doing it independently.
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« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2001, 10:50:00 AM »
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disclaimer... blauk and I do not know each other and are not conspiring to make strat guys look ridiculous. We are doing it independently.
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Love him or hate him, he's awfully darn funny! I would love to see Lazs, Creamo, Fatty, AKDejaVu, and maybe Ripsnort on "weakest link".

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« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2001, 10:51:00 AM »
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
New Host Message today:
A change was made today on the supply system.
10 C-47 Base Supplies now = 1 Vehicle supply.
Each C-47 supply does 9% of base rebuild times.
It takes 7 C-47s to resupply a city.

-SW


Well kick ass!  I gues the HTC boys & girls read the BBS (despite the rants, whines, etc) and take our feedback seriously.

Now, about that 500ft radar bar....

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« Reply #74 on: November 16, 2001, 12:03:00 PM »
Actually Laz, you're making yourself look ridiculous.  Your costant narrow declaration of what constitutes "fun" and absolute lack of regard for other's opinions, makes you seem a caricature.

I agree with you that furballs are fun, but I also enjoy a good groundstrike, or buff raid and BnZ fighter combat.  All of those things are fun to me.  I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only person who plays this game and gets fun out of all of those aspects.
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