Time for an RPS.

[WldThing]

lol your nothing but a fool...and im a fool for having this discussion with you..its like talking to a child.

When ever u wanna go show your skills call me to the DA until then all your doing is blowing hot air.

[Rude]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
Rood...

Think....NEW deodorant!!

HEY! Now there's an idea I haven't thought of yet....it's good to have friends:)

[Rude]

Originally posted by J_A_B
Shaw calls BnZ a form of E-fighting.

I disagree with that opinion.  

True straight BnZ wastes huge amounts of E relative to your opponent (it allows him to equalize E-state pretty quickly), and it also fails to really use E as a means of gaining position.  

What BnZ does is maintain speed and separation and make it easier to maintain combat formation, all of which are important in actual multi-plane dogfights.  I consider BnZ to be its own unique form of combat flying.

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I think Lazs would be more at home in a WW1 game....all turnfighting all the time, and no fast planes bother him.  An added bonus for him would be the lack of any serious bombers.


J_A_B   ---> likes the big fights, but also appreciates the need for different planes/flying styles to keep the game from being boring

This one kinda jumped out at me.....b and z done correctly will not allow your opponent to equalize anything....it's really more e fighting when done correctly than what you usually see in the ma...you know, the dive in from waaay up then egress waaay bak up and repeat.

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by J_A_B
What BnZ does is maintain speed and separation and make it easier to maintain combat formation, all of which are important in actual multi-plane dogfights.  I consider BnZ to be its own unique form of combat flying.

I disagree with you J_A_B, you are describing a poor way of BnZ where you are targetting a single enemy and then extending away half a cuadrant. The really effective BnZ is when you keep 5 or 6 enemies terrified, killing all of them, one by one, and not extending, mostly playing in the vertical plane. I saw a lot of time a single P51 comming very fast, shooting, failing and extending, these ones are not a danger and are really easy to evade. But, when I see a BnZ pilot knowing how to deal with several of us, I know we are in problems. It is like a wolf killing sheeps, no one can exit the killing zone. This is the real BnZ.

[Steve]

J.A.B. quote: "True straight BnZ wastes huge amounts of E relative to your opponent (it allows him to equalize E-state pretty quickly), and it also fails to really use E as a means of gaining position. "

Wow I can't disagree with this enough, unless I have misunderstood.  I use E fighting /BnZ to herd multiple opponents beneath me. Anyone that approaches my E state is either shot down or forced into an aggressive, E degrading manuever.  Unless someone manages to run away and come back with alt, I(and many E fighters, I'm sure) can hold my E advantage almost indefinitely in my pony*.  I imagine it would be even easier in a plane that climbed well.

*I'm not saying  E advantage  gaurantees victory.. smart pilots will try for those snap shots as I go back up.

[akak]

Originally posted by lazs2
ack ack... B & Z with a plane 50 to 100 mph faster and starting out with a huge alt advantage is indeed "energy" fighting but you you only have to have the energy budget sense of a democrat with tax money to do it.
lazs

I know it is, it's just one of the different styles of energy fighting, just like Rope-A-Dope is.


Ack-Ack

[lazs2]

mandoble... let's use the 262 as an exagerated example... certainly you should be able to "terrorize" (i think annoy is the more acurate term but let's not quibble over semantics).... you should be able to "terrorize' 5 100 mph slower planes... how much skill does that take???? about zero.. it is a matter of degree... if you are flying a dee 9 in the arena and "terrorizing" 5 earl/early mid war planes.... big whoop.... you should be..  don't expect me to be impressed tho.

wildthing... what no answer laughing boy?   Did you lie about flying early war planes just as much as pee 51's or did you just lie about finding fights in em?    Did you lie about flying on the deck in you pee plane just as much as my fm2 or are you just being .... foolish?
lazs

[Tumor]

huh?

[WldThing]

I havent heard anything from you about our duel yet..You chicken out?  Scared of getting an bellybutton woopin from a pee 51 dweeb like myself?

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by beet1e
I don't agree. B&Z is decidedly different from the 109 type of "E-fiting".

Feel free to disagree . Besides, it isn't my distinction...it's Bob Shaw's (author of the fighter pilot's Bible ).

[mia389]

Originally posted by WldThing
Or just get a faster plane.

Ya so everyone flys P51s and doras

[WldThing]

Huh mia?

This was a quote from a person

Bah...it's all for fun anyway. Leave the game alone. If you don't like the d9,la7,51d,109g10,yak, then learn the SA required to avoid them.[/B]

And i said get a faster plane..Which meant get a faster plane and you wont need to fight them.  Read before you post.

[akak]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
it's Bob Shaw's (author of the fighter pilot's Bible ).

Which by the way is really nothing more then a re-write of John Boyd's Aerial Attack Study

Ack-Ack

[lazs2]

wildthing... come and get me... I am easy to find.   I know it scares yu to have to fight in AH but... that's the way the game is played.  If you don't learn then what will yu do when they fix it?  (and they will... one way or another)..  Or... you could go to the CT since I spend some time there too... that is allso a part of AH.   I am not interested in the arenas that aren't multiplayer.   That's why I pay 15 bucks a month.   otherwise I could just do the head to head thing for free.
lazs

[WldThing]

Huh?  Why do you keep saying AH?  I play online FYI not H2H.  And ive killed you before, your nothing special, the only thing special about you though is your mouth.